[OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Call to Take Action and Confront Systemic Offensive Behavior in the OSM Community

2020-12-11 Thread Allan Mustard
I apologize if this is a duplicate, but I received notices from Google Mail that the message below sent to both osmf-talk and talk was not delivered "because the address couldn't be found, or is unable to receive mail."  I am therefore retransmitting the message using my home email address.  apm

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Call to Take Action and Confront Systemic Offensive Behavior in the OSM Community

2020-12-10 Thread Heather Leson
Thank you to the board for listening to our appeal. I look forward to collaborating on the next steps. Heather On Fri, 11 Dec 2020, 04:57 Allan Mustard, wrote: > To the OSM and OSMF communities: > > I convey the following information on behalf of the Board of Directors of > the OpenStreetMap

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Call to Take Action and Confront Systemic Offensive Behavior in the OSM Community

2020-12-10 Thread Blake Girardot
On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 7:54 AM Richard Fairhurst wrote: > > Blake Girardot wrote: > > I will just point out a common pattern: > > Céline posted an eloquent opening statement that talks about "this dominant > profile" and the thread has, true to form, largely descended into the same > dominant

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Call to Take Action and Confront Systemic Offensive Behavior in the OSM Community

2020-12-10 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Blake Girardot wrote: > I will just point out a common pattern: Céline posted an eloquent opening statement that talks about "this dominant profile" and the thread has, true to form, largely descended into the same dominant profile arguing and "just pointing out" things. It might therefore be

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Call to Take Action and Confront Systemic Offensive Behavior in the OSM Community

2020-12-10 Thread Blake Girardot
On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 5:22 AM Thomas Barris via osmf-talk wrote: > Why do you think such an OSM project as you want it is desirable for the > majority of the community? I have signed up to this project to collect and > share free geodata. I am not in favour of using OSM(F) for distributing

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Call to Take Action and Confront Systemic Offensive Behavior in the OSM Community

2020-12-10 Thread Lukasz Kruk
I have little new to offer that hasn't been posted in this thread before, but would like to say that singling out Frederik and his supposedly "dehumanizing message" as an offensive catalyst for a call to action? Not cool. I don't want to contribute to a cycle of outrage (though in some eyes I

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Call to Take Action and Confront Systemic Offensive Behavior in the OSM Community

2020-12-10 Thread Heather Leson
Good morning As Celine mentioned, we are a coalition of people who want change in OSMF and OSM. Our statement clearly states that we are willing to work with OSMF (working groups, board, membership) and OSM (community, project and network). This means collaboration with the local chapters and

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Call to Take Action and Confront Systemic Offensive Behavior in the OSM Community

2020-12-09 Thread Clay Smalley
On Wed, Dec 9, 2020, 4:08 PM john whelan wrote: > In the diverse collection of people we have in OSM you will be hard > pressed not to offend someone. > Really? That hasn't been a problem for me. I hadn't realised the name Kathleen was one that either gender could use > and I apologise for

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Call to Take Action and Confront Systemic Offensive Behavior in the OSM Community

2020-12-09 Thread john whelan
In the diverse collection of people we have in OSM you will be hard pressed not to offend someone. The views held are very diverse. Traffic_signal or traffic_light tagging us an example of very diverse views. I'm sure someone will be along and give me the correct way to tag shortly. I hadn't

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Call to Take Action and Confront Systemic Offensive Behavior in the OSM Community

2020-12-09 Thread john whelan
No but I am suggesting dealing with it is complex and has to be done over time. Do you ban jargon for example? The danger in Celine's confrontational approach is we throw the baby out with the dish water. You have an interesting mind and know the background. How would you approach this? And

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Call to Take Action and Confront Systemic Offensive Behavior in the OSM Community

2020-12-09 Thread Kathleen Lu via talk
> Many females do not map using their own name but will use a male sounding > name to avoid problems. John, are you seriously citing this as evidence that there is not pervasive misogyny in the OSM community? ___ talk mailing list