Re: [OSM-talk] Please review "Community attribution advice” wiki page

2020-12-09 Thread Simon Poole
Am 08.12.2020 um 18:36 schrieb Rory McCann: Yes, fundamentally, you're 100% correct. The ODbL licence is the thing that matters when it comes to what's legally required. And that says nothing about “device independent pixels” or “javascript popup clicks”, it only refers to the mental state

Re: [OSM-talk] Please review "Community attribution advice” wiki page

2020-12-08 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via talk
Dec 8, 2020, 18:41 by r...@technomancy.org: > On Tue, 8 Dec 2020, at 09:43, Mateusz Konieczny via talk wrote: > >> Can you give an example of something that would follow >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Community_attribution_advice >> and still would not fulfill ODBL? >> > > What is and

Re: [OSM-talk] Please review "Community attribution advice” wiki page

2020-12-08 Thread Christoph Hormann
> Rory McCann hat am 08.12.2020 18:41 geschrieben: > > On Tue, 8 Dec 2020, at 09:43, Mateusz Konieczny via talk wrote: > > Can you give an example of something that would follow > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Community_attribution_advice > > and still would not fulfill ODBL? > >

Re: [OSM-talk] Please review "Community attribution advice” wiki page

2020-12-08 Thread Rory McCann
On Tue, 8 Dec 2020, at 09:43, Mateusz Konieczny via talk wrote: > Can you give an example of something that would follow > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Community_attribution_advice > and still would not fulfill ODBL? What is and isn't allowed by the ODbL can (I think) only be answered by a

Re: [OSM-talk] Please review "Community attribution advice” wiki page

2020-12-08 Thread Rory McCann
Yes, fundamentally, you're 100% correct. The ODbL licence is the thing that matters when it comes to what's legally required. And that says nothing about “device independent pixels” or “javascript popup clicks”, it only refers to the mental state of someone. The Charter of Fundamental Rights

Re: [OSM-talk] Please review "Community attribution advice” wiki page

2020-12-08 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via talk
Can you give an example of something that would follow https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Community_attribution_advice and still would not fulfill ODBL? I see no obvious loopholes there. Dec 7, 2020, 22:57 by r...@technomancy.org: > It's good to see more discussion on this. I like that this

Re: [OSM-talk] Please review "Community attribution advice” wiki page

2020-12-07 Thread Christoph Hormann
> Rory McCann hat am 07.12.2020 22:57 geschrieben: > > But I think this attribution is too vague. It's advice seems to restate the > relevant section from the ODbL. There are many examples of poor attribution > where someone could argue that they meet this standard. As i have already

Re: [OSM-talk] Please review "Community attribution advice” wiki page

2020-12-07 Thread Rory McCann
It's good to see more discussion on this. I like that this document lays out the moral requirment to attribute. We don't ask for any money, but we do ask you to attribute us. It's a very good bargain. But I think this attribution is too vague. It's advice seems to restate the relevant section

Re: [OSM-talk] Please review "Community attribution advice” wiki page

2020-12-05 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
The text of the first section previously ended with this sentence: "To what extent you might practically get away with lesser attribution - either legally or socially - is outside the scope of this document." Probably such a sentence is acceptable in some cultures, but it sounds odd in the

Re: [OSM-talk] Please review "Community attribution advice” wiki page

2020-12-05 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 12/4/20 21:41, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > Please review the page and make any comments for improvement if needed: Might be worth waiting until the next OSMF board meeting (in 5 days) which has the official attribution guidelines on its agenda; perhaps they come to a decision on that which

Re: [OSM-talk] Please review "Community attribution advice” wiki page

2020-12-05 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via talk
One thing that is missing to me is explicit mention that it is not overriding ODBL or related laws and is not adding any legal requirements. If someone follows ODBL license or is in situation where following license is not needed for some reason, they can legally do this. Maybe also mention that

Re: [OSM-talk] Please review "Community attribution advice” wiki page

2020-12-04 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
[This is the current text:] This document is an attempt to summarize the expectations the OpenStreetMap mapper community has for OSM data users regarding the attribution required by the OpenStreetMap license. In line with the general culture of OpenStreetMap it does not try to provide step by

[OSM-talk] Please review "Community attribution advice” wiki page

2020-12-04 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I appreciate the wik page "Community attribution advice" which was made by another community member. It seems to give good advice about how database users can comply with the attribution guidelines in a way that everybody* in this community can support. Please review the page and make any