Re: [OSM-talk] Links from wiki* back into OSM (was: Overlapping brands)

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2017-09-28 13:28 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer :

> If their first language doesn't use Latin roots they will also have to
> look up "name".
>


sorry, seems "name" has Germanic roots.

Cheers,
Martin
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Re: [OSM-talk] Links from wiki* back into OSM (was: Overlapping brands)

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2017-09-28 10:53 GMT+02:00 Andy Townsend :

> On 28/09/2017 09:28, Jo wrote:
> Many mappers (especially those with a first language that doesn't use many
> Greek roots) will I suspect struggle with what "name:etymology:wikidata"
> actually means.
>
>


maybe, but they could look it up. If their first language doesn't use Latin
roots they will also have to look up "name".
While I don't want to endorse this specific tag, I don't think we should
criticize it based on the tag name (which IMHO is quite precise and
self-explanatory). Yes, if you completely miss any european cultural
background, all tags are difficult (and this is not limited to the word
"etymology").

Cheers,
Martin
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Re: [OSM-talk] Links from wiki* back into OSM (was: Overlapping brands)

[Andy Mabbett]

On 28 September 2017 at 09:53, Andy Townsend  wrote:

> "objects named after Leuven"

> I'd have thought that this sort of "extra non-geographical information" was
> better held outside of OSM, and then link back into OSM via e.g.
> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/wikidata=Q118958 or even
> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/wikipedia=nl%3ALeuven

Objects named after Leuven MUST NOT be tagged "wikidata=Q118958", nor
"wikipedia=:Leuven"

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http://pigsonthewing.org.uk

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Re: [OSM-talk] Links from wiki* back into OSM (was: Overlapping brands)

[Marc Gemis]

Andy are you now saying that it is OK to have 1 wikidata tag on each
street, so someone can create an external list of streets with
Wikidata ids to represent some kind of collection (like "all streets
named after Leuven") ?

m.

On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 10:53 AM, Andy Townsend  wrote:
> On 28/09/2017 09:28, Jo wrote:
>>
>>
>> All OSM objects with a name (in several languages) referring to a city.
>> More zoomed in:
>> http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/s20
>>
> ... except that it isn't necessarily "all objects" - it's "a list of objects
> in OSM manually curated by you".  You're still going to have to monitor
> changes to those objects and look for new instances of "objects named after
> Leuven" in the real world and newly added to OSM.  You happen to be using a
> "name:etymology:wikidata" key in OSM to do this, but frankly you could keep
> that list anywhere - it doesn't depend on "etymology" wikidata tags in OSM.
> Many mappers (especially those with a first language that doesn't use many
> Greek roots) will I suspect struggle with what "name:etymology:wikidata"
> actually means.
>
> I'd have thought that this sort of "extra non-geographical information" was
> better held outside of OSM, and then link back into OSM via e.g.
> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/wikidata=Q118958 or even
> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/wikipedia=nl%3ALeuven .
>
> I'm not saying that it isn't a great project - it's exactly the sort of
> thing that many OSMers do for many different sorts of data.  I'm just not
> convinced that it depends on the ability to create more and more
> unverifiable keys within OSM.
>
> Best Regards,
> Andy
>
>
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[OSM-talk] Links from wiki* back into OSM (was: Overlapping brands)

[Andy Townsend]

On 28/09/2017 09:28, Jo wrote:


All OSM objects with a name (in several languages) referring to a city.
More zoomed in:
http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/s20

... except that it isn't necessarily "all objects" - it's "a list of 
objects in OSM manually curated by you".  You're still going to have to 
monitor changes to those objects and look for new instances of "objects 
named after Leuven" in the real world and newly added to OSM.  You 
happen to be using a "name:etymology:wikidata" key in OSM to do this, 
but frankly you could keep that list anywhere - it doesn't depend on 
"etymology" wikidata tags in OSM.  Many mappers (especially those with a 
first language that doesn't use many Greek roots) will I suspect 
struggle with what "name:etymology:wikidata" actually means.


I'd have thought that this sort of "extra non-geographical information" 
was better held outside of OSM, and then link back into OSM via e.g. 
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/wikidata=Q118958 or even 
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/wikipedia=nl%3ALeuven .


I'm not saying that it isn't a great project - it's exactly the sort of 
thing that many OSMers do for many different sorts of data.  I'm just 
not convinced that it depends on the ability to create more and more 
unverifiable keys within OSM.


Best Regards,
Andy


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