Re: [OSM-talk] New road style for the Default map style - the second version. And thanks for rural test locations!

2015-07-24 Thread phil
On Fri Jul 24 09:45:06 2015 GMT+0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone Am 23.07.2015 um 20:49 schrieb Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk: What is needed is proper tagging of fields rather than adding random areas of 'farmland' where the land outside of that is also

Re: [OSM-talk] New road style for the Default map style - the second version. And thanks for rural test locations!

2015-07-24 Thread Simone Cortesi
On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 10:58 AM, André Riedel riedel.an...@gmail.com wrote: Do you mean like this http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/52.17024/-2.18493layers=Q or something else? Yes, of course. But the german style is closer to the colors of Mateusz. As well it is close to the

Re: [OSM-talk] New road style for the Default map style - the second version. And thanks for rural test locations!

2015-07-24 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone Am 23.07.2015 um 20:49 schrieb Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk: What is needed is proper tagging of fields rather than adding random areas of 'farmland' where the land outside of that is also farmland anyway. So yes I would argue that some of these areas are wrong when

Re: [OSM-talk] New road style for the Default map style - the second version. And thanks for rural test locations!

2015-07-24 Thread André Riedel
2015-07-23 16:52 GMT+02:00 Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk: On 23/07/15 15:37, André Riedel wrote: It is not the coloring. I would prefer the rendering of motorway and trunk with a outer and a inner line. better: XIX XIX XIX than: XX XX XX Do you mean like this

Re: [OSM-talk] New road style for the Default map style - the second version. And thanks for rural test locations!

2015-07-24 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone Am 23.07.2015 um 20:49 schrieb Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk: The legend says 'Farm', and 'Farmyard' is a distinct land use from farmland, so they should be distinguishable, the wiki says farm and farmland are synonyms in osm, but farmland should be preferred for

Re: [OSM-talk] New road style for the Default map style - the second version. And thanks for rural test locations!

2015-07-24 Thread Richard Mann
Re central reservations on dual carriageways: I did this for my local map: http://www.transportparadise.co.uk/cyclemap/?zoom=2lat=51.7245lon=-1.24708layers=B0FF by adding a barrier=central_reservation way (with a further tag saying what it was dividing) I'd be a bit wary of using a two-stage

Re: [OSM-talk] New road style for the Default map style - the second version. And thanks for rural test locations!

2015-07-24 Thread Lester Caine
On 24/07/15 09:42, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: the wiki says farm and farmland are synonyms in osm, but farmland should be preferred for reasons of ambiguity. Farmyard is distinct from these. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Farm The Farm itself is always identified separately to the

Re: [OSM-talk] New road style for the Default map style - the second version. And thanks for rural test locations!

2015-07-24 Thread Lester Caine
On 24/07/15 13:11, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dfarm has so few entries tagged that I am sure it could be 'retired' now? like 640.000 few? I'd also like to retire it, but I wouldn't base that on usage numbers ;-) OK I was just looking at the

Re: [OSM-talk] New road style for the Default map style - the second version. And thanks for rural test locations!

2015-07-24 Thread Warin
On 24/07/2015 7:49 PM, p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: On Fri Jul 24 09:45:06 2015 GMT+0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone Am 23.07.2015 um 20:49 schrieb Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk: What is needed is proper tagging of fields rather than adding random areas of 'farmland'

Re: [OSM-talk] New road style for the Default map style - the second version. And thanks for rural test locations!

2015-07-24 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone Am 24.07.2015 um 14:30 schrieb Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com: Obviously, incorrectly mapped landuse is worse than missing data. yes, that was the question, what to consider 'correct' cheers Martin ___ talk mailing

Re: [OSM-talk] New road style for the Default map style - the second version. And thanks for rural test locations!

2015-07-24 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 24.07.2015 12:22, Lester Caine napisał(a): As others have said - generally covering large areas as 'farmland' is not helping anybody ... For me it works - just like grassland or industrial, it shows what is the dominant of the whole area and I care for it a lot at middle zoom levels:

Re: [OSM-talk] New road style for the Default map style - the second version. And thanks for rural test locations!

2015-07-24 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone Am 24.07.2015 um 12:22 schrieb Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dfarm has so few entries tagged that I am sure it could be 'retired' now? like 640.000 few? I'd also like to retire it, but I wouldn't base that on usage

Re: [OSM-talk] New road style for the Default map style - the second version. And thanks for rural test locations!

2015-07-24 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
On Fri, 24 Jul 2015 10:45:06 +0200 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: +1, huge arbitrary farmland areas are pointless and hide the actual white spots where there would be something still to map. Main use of landuse is not for marking mapped areas. It may be used for rendering

Re: [OSM-talk] New road style for the Default map style - the second version. And thanks for rural test locations!

2015-07-23 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 11:01:55 +0200 Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com wrote: I published new diary entry There is also older entry, primarily about rendering surface tag http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Mateusz%20Konieczny/diary/35416 It was not mentioned on this mailing list.

Re: [OSM-talk] New road style for the Default map style - the second version. And thanks for rural test locations!

2015-07-23 Thread André Riedel
It is not the coloring. I would prefer the rendering of motorway and trunk with a outer and a inner line. better: XIX XIX XIX than: XX XX XX ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] New road style for the Default map style - the second version. And thanks for rural test locations!

2015-07-23 Thread Lester Caine
On 23/07/15 15:37, André Riedel wrote: It is not the coloring. I would prefer the rendering of motorway and trunk with a outer and a inner line. better: XIX XIX XIX than: XX XX XX Do you mean like this http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/52.17024/-2.18493layers=Q or something else?

Re: [OSM-talk] New road style for the Default map style - the second version. And thanks for rural test locations!

2015-07-23 Thread André Riedel
2015-07-23 11:01 GMT+02:00 Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com: It includes preview of now differently rendered highway=motorway and highway=trunk http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Mateusz%20Konieczny/diary/35437 For me the way motorways and trunks are rendered in the german style looks

Re: [OSM-talk] New road style for the Default map style - the second version. And thanks for rural test locations!

2015-07-23 Thread Lester Caine
On 23/07/15 14:53, André Riedel wrote: For me the way motorways and trunks are rendered in the german style looks better. This is going to a sticking point much of the time. Certainly if the colours change form the current set, then I think we will be looking to provide a 'UK' rendering even if

Re: [OSM-talk] New road style for the Default map style - the second version. And thanks for rural test locations!

2015-07-23 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 9:07 AM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: On 23/07/15 14:53, André Riedel wrote: For me the way motorways and trunks are rendered in the german style looks better. This is going to a sticking point much of the time. Certainly if the colours change form the

Re: [OSM-talk] New road style for the Default map style - the second version. And thanks for rural test locations!

2015-07-23 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 15:07:59 +0100 Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: From a UK point of view there nothing wrong with http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=12/52.1106/-2.0754 and certainly that is what is needed for any routing system. Yes, this part of map is not bad. I am not entirely sure

Re: [OSM-talk] New road style for the Default map style - the second version. And thanks for rural test locations!

2015-07-23 Thread Paul Johnson
I think I'm still in heavy preference towards the more distinctive colors and level of detail of the existing mapnik, but I do like the smaller line weights for residential. On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 4:01 AM, Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com wrote: I published new diary entry. It includes

Re: [OSM-talk] New road style for the Default map style - the second version. And thanks for rural test locations!

2015-07-23 Thread Andy Townsend
On 23/07/2015 19:49, Lester Caine wrote: On 23/07/15 19:34, Andy Townsend wrote: It's actually farmland rather than farm, and therefore tagged correctly. If it was me I'd use a lightly colour for farmland so that farmyards (also tagged correctly in that area) stand out a bit more (obligatory

Re: [OSM-talk] New road style for the Default map style - the second version. And thanks for rural test locations!

2015-07-23 Thread Andy Townsend
On 23/07/2015 19:13, Lester Caine wrote: The random use of FARM for large areas is totally inappropriate, and personally I'd remove the bulk of those areas ... or cover the rest of the UK. Using 'farm' for the central farm area makes much more sense and is what is the normal standard south of

Re: [OSM-talk] New road style for the Default map style - the second version. And thanks for rural test locations!

2015-07-23 Thread Lester Caine
On 23/07/15 19:34, Andy Townsend wrote: It's actually farmland rather than farm, and therefore tagged correctly. If it was me I'd use a lightly colour for farmland so that farmyards (also tagged correctly in that area) stand out a bit more (obligatory Blue Peter** link

Re: [OSM-talk] New road style for the Default map style - the second version. And thanks for rural test locations!

2015-07-23 Thread Lester Caine
On 23/07/15 17:04, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: From a UK point of view there nothing wrong with http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=12/52.1106/-2.0754 and certainly that is what is needed for any routing system. Yes, this part of map is not bad. I am not

[OSM-talk] New road style for the Default map style - the second version. And thanks for rural test locations!

2015-07-23 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
I published new diary entry. It includes preview of now differently rendered highway=motorway and highway=trunk, possible changes to rendering railway=rail, proposed change to rendering of minor service tram tracks and more. http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Mateusz%20Konieczny/diary/35437