Re: [OSM-talk] Ways divided by paint?

2019-07-05 Thread Mike N
On 7/4/2019 10:33 AM, Jack Armstrong dan...@sprynet.com wrote: In the given example, turns were already permitted prior to the additional superfluous lanes being added. This creates confusion and unnecessary clutter and should not be encouraged. The intersection was fine before the addition of

Re: [OSM-talk] Ways divided by paint?

2019-07-04 Thread Warin
On 04/07/19 22:23, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 4. Jul 2019, at 11:49, Snusmumriken wrote: A painted line that has the legal status of "do not cross" is a perfectly fine reason to have a separate way. it doesn’t apply to many people though, for example pedestrians or

Re: [OSM-talk] Ways divided by paint?

2019-07-04 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
4 lip 2019, 15:20 od snusmumriken.map...@runbox.com: > On Thu, 2019-07-04 at 13:50 +0200, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > >> I strongly disagree with this idea, >> and multiple times changed such splits >> back to one way. >> > > I would consider that as an act of vandalism by removing ground truth >

Re: [OSM-talk] Ways divided by paint?

2019-07-04 Thread Snusmumriken
On Thu, 2019-07-04 at 13:44 +, Philip Barnes wrote: > On Thursday, 4 July 2019, Snusmumriken wrote: > > On Thu, 2019-07-04 at 13:50 +0200, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > > I strongly disagree with this idea, > > > and multiple times changed such splits > > > back to one way. > > > > I would

Re: [OSM-talk] Ways divided by paint?

2019-07-04 Thread Lester Caine
On 04/07/2019 15:24, Mike N wrote: What if strictly following the rule of "no split ways unless physical divider" results in wildly incorrect turn-by-turn instructions? I have the same problem with the right turn lane being removed from https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/52.11366/-1.94141

Re: [OSM-talk] Ways divided by paint?

2019-07-04 Thread Jack Armstrong dan...@sprynet.com
If mappers are permitted to create numerous new ways based solely on a painted surface, intersections will become completely choked with lanes and will become unmanageable. In the given example, turns were already permitted prior to the additional superfluous lanes being added. This creates

Re: [OSM-talk] Ways divided by paint?

2019-07-04 Thread Mike N
On 7/4/2019 7:50 AM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: I strongly disagree with this idea, and multiple times changed such splits back to one way. What if strictly following the rule of "no split ways unless physical divider" results in wildly incorrect turn-by-turn instructions? For example -

Re: [OSM-talk] Ways divided by paint?

2019-07-04 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thursday, 4 July 2019, Snusmumriken wrote: > On Thu, 2019-07-04 at 13:50 +0200, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > I strongly disagree with this idea, > > and multiple times changed such splits > > back to one way. > > I would consider that as an act of vandalism by removing ground truth >

Re: [OSM-talk] Ways divided by paint?

2019-07-04 Thread Snusmumriken
On Thu, 2019-07-04 at 13:50 +0200, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > I strongly disagree with this idea, > and multiple times changed such splits > back to one way. I would consider that as an act of vandalism by removing ground truth information that your fellow mappers have gathered and encoded in the

Re: [OSM-talk] Ways divided by paint?

2019-07-04 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 4. Jul 2019, at 11:49, Snusmumriken wrote: > > A painted line that has the legal status of "do not cross" is a > perfectly fine reason to have a separate way. it doesn’t apply to many people though, for example pedestrians or emergency vehicles. The definition for a

Re: [OSM-talk] Ways divided by paint?

2019-07-04 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
I strongly disagree with this idea, and multiple times changed such splits back to one way. Jul 4, 2019, 11:49 AM by snusmumriken.map...@runbox.com: > On Wed, 2019-07-03 at 14:03 -0600, Jack Armstrong Dancer--- via talk > wrote: > >> I've always had the impression we should not create separate

Re: [OSM-talk] Ways divided by paint?

2019-07-04 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 03.07.19 22:03, Jack Armstrong Dancer--- via talk wrote: > I've always had the impression we should not create separate traffic > lanes unless "traffic flows are physically separated by a barrier (e.g., > grass, concrete, steel), which prevents movements between said flows." Yes, that's

Re: [OSM-talk] Ways divided by paint?

2019-07-04 Thread Snusmumriken
On Wed, 2019-07-03 at 14:03 -0600, Jack Armstrong Dancer--- via talk wrote: > I've always had the impression we should not create separate traffic > lanes unless "traffic flows are physically separated by a barrier > (e.g., grass, concrete, steel), which prevents movements between said > flows."

Re: [OSM-talk] Ways divided by paint?

2019-07-03 Thread Marc Gemis
I agree that in this case I would tolerate it, but is it still allowed to turn from East Mineral avenue to the North-South, unclassified highway? If not, one should add turn restrictions. regards m On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 11:11 PM Tom Pfeifer wrote: > > On 03.07.2019 22:03, Jack Armstrong

Re: [OSM-talk] Ways divided by paint?

2019-07-03 Thread Paul Johnson
Context is important. If it's being controlled as a separate way (like an angled deceleration or acceleration lane, or a flush median porkchop, or the gore on a median bullnose), that's a good candidate for placement=transition. Keep in mind this gets super messy if you dont take context and

Re: [OSM-talk] Ways divided by paint?

2019-07-03 Thread Tom Pfeifer
On 03.07.2019 22:03, Jack Armstrong Dancer--- via talk wrote: I've always had the impression we should not create separate traffic lanes unless "traffic flows are physically separated by a barrier (e.g., grass, concrete, steel), which prevents movements between said flows." Yes, I agree in

Re: [OSM-talk] Ways divided by paint?

2019-07-03 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
I would consider such mapping as linked as incorrect and delete this extra ways on encountering  them in my normal mapping. Is there any reason to handle this situation in other way? Maybe there are some physical barriers (for example concrete blocks) installed there? 3 Jul 2019, 22:03 by

[OSM-talk] Ways divided by paint?

2019-07-03 Thread Jack Armstrong Dancer--- via talk
I've always had the impression we should not create separate traffic lanes unless "traffic flows are physically separated by a barrier (e.g., grass, concrete, steel), which prevents movements between said flows."In other words, paint is not a barrier. Should we create highway links based solely on