Re: [OSM-talk] Wide tracks with cycle access

2008-05-02 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 1:55 AM, Ari Torhamo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: pe, 2008-05-02 kello 00:28 +0200, Martin Simon kirjoitti: Am Donnerstag, 1. Mai 2008 13:37:32 schrieb Andy Robinson (blackadder): OK, you're totally right at this, it seems difficult to define structure of road surfaces

Re: [OSM-talk] Wide tracks with cycle access

2008-05-02 Thread Ari Torhamo
pe, 2008-05-02 kello 11:07 +0100, Dave Stubbs kirjoitti: The main problem with this kind of idea is it's complete subjectivity. The bike_suitability style of tag is less of a problem because there's a fairly clear reference point: ie: would you be happy cycling a road bike down this path, or

Re: [OSM-talk] Wide tracks with cycle access

2008-05-01 Thread Mike Collinson
At 09:35 PM 30/04/2008, Nick Whitelegg wrote: Hello everyone, Slight dilemma with what to do about wide, off road (countryside) tracks with official cycle access, in the light of the countryside mapping suggestions I made last week on the wiki. How do cyclists in general tag these?

Re: [OSM-talk] Wide tracks with cycle access

2008-05-01 Thread Karl Eichwalder
80n schrieb: On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 8:35 PM, Nick Whitelegg [EMAIL PROTECTED] highway=track; bicycle=yes|permissive; [surface=gravel] bicycle=yes and surface=gravel are an incompatible combination in my book ;) IMO, bicycle=yes means cycling is allowed, or at least, it is not

Re: [OSM-talk] Wide tracks with cycle access

2008-05-01 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder)
Karl Eichwalder wrote: Sent: 01 May 2008 7:36 AM To: 80n Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Wide tracks with cycle access snip Wondering whether using surface=gravel is already understood by the renderers? Thus far, I was using unpaved exclusively. I too have been using unpaved

Re: [OSM-talk] Wide tracks with cycle access

2008-05-01 Thread Stephen Gower
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 08:39:15PM +0100, 80n wrote: bicycle=yes and surface=gravel are an incompatible combination in my book ;) There's gravel and there's gravel though - pea gravel like my grandfather had on his drive (in the New Forest!) and had to rake after cars had been over it is

Re: [OSM-talk] Wide tracks with cycle access

2008-05-01 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder)
Stephen Gower wrote: Sent: 01 May 2008 10:39 AM To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Wide tracks with cycle access On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 08:39:15PM +0100, 80n wrote: bicycle=yes and surface=gravel are an incompatible combination in my book ;) There's gravel and there's gravel

Re: [OSM-talk] Wide tracks with cycle access

2008-05-01 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Andy Robinson \(blackadder\) wrote: Perhaps this is the better way to think about it. I generally don't like subjective tagging, but in this instance giving an opinion about how usable a section of way is might be better. If you simplified bike types into road, hybrid and mtb then I guess you

Re: [OSM-talk] Wide tracks with cycle access

2008-05-01 Thread Martin Simon
Am Donnerstag, 1. Mai 2008 11:56:16 schrieb Andy Robinson (blackadder): Perhaps this is the better way to think about it. I generally don't like subjective tagging, but in this instance giving an opinion about how usable a section of way is might be better. If you simplified bike types into

Re: [OSM-talk] Wide tracks with cycle access

2008-05-01 Thread Mike Collinson
At 01:01 PM 1/05/2008, Martin Simon wrote: Am Donnerstag, 1. Mai 2008 11:56:16 schrieb Andy Robinson (blackadder): Perhaps this is the better way to think about it. I generally don't like subjective tagging, but in this instance giving an opinion about how usable a section of way is might be

Re: [OSM-talk] Wide tracks with cycle access

2008-05-01 Thread Martin Simon
Am Donnerstag, 1. Mai 2008 13:37:32 schrieb Andy Robinson (blackadder): It was because of the difficulty of defining unpaved surfaces that this thread branched off. If you can come up with a method for tagging the make-up of natural surfaces then great, but its not easy in my view or I'd be

Re: [OSM-talk] Wide tracks with cycle access

2008-05-01 Thread Ari Torhamo
pe, 2008-05-02 kello 00:28 +0200, Martin Simon kirjoitti: Am Donnerstag, 1. Mai 2008 13:37:32 schrieb Andy Robinson (blackadder): OK, you're totally right at this, it seems difficult to define structure of road surfaces - several proposals in the wiki exist, but none seems to have seen

[OSM-talk] Wide tracks with cycle access

2008-04-30 Thread Nick Whitelegg
Hello everyone, Slight dilemma with what to do about wide, off road (countryside) tracks with official cycle access, in the light of the countryside mapping suggestions I made last week on the wiki. How do cyclists in general tag these? highway=track; bicycle=yes|permissive; [surface=gravel]

Re: [OSM-talk] Wide tracks with cycle access

2008-04-30 Thread 80n
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 8:35 PM, Nick Whitelegg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everyone, Slight dilemma with what to do about wide, off road (countryside) tracks with official cycle access, in the light of the countryside mapping suggestions I made last week on the wiki. How do cyclists in