Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

) that he takes as far as special cases in templates just to satisfy it, this was the root of the current calendar argument. -- Andrew From: Richard <ricoz@gmail.com> Sent: 30 October 2017 13:10:49 To: Tobias Knerr Cc: talk Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOS

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

Tobias wrote: > > This does not mean that he should be exempt from the rules, of course. > To the contrary: What I would hope for is consistent enforcement of the > rules, with gradually increasing penalties. Jumping straight from spotty > enforcement to a permanent ban, though, seems wasteful

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 12:13:14AM +0100, Tobias Knerr wrote: > On 28.10.2017 12:06, Andrew Hain wrote: > > His behaviour over the past years makes him a contributor of net > > negative value. > > I have to disagree here. He's probably the single most active wiki > contributor, and is also

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

Citing Christoph (TheFive@OSM) statement here because he told me he isn't a member of this list. a) I do not want to blame Verdy_P, i just want to solve an issue, that is > running now for more than 6 month. > b) My parser technique is behind what is necessary, my attempt to make it > better

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

On 28.10.2017 12:06, Andrew Hain wrote: > His behaviour over the past years makes him a contributor of net > negative value. I have to disagree here. He's probably the single most active wiki contributor, and is also performing a lot of useful maintenance work that no one else would bother doing.

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

Hi, Andrew Hain schrieb: > It is now time to talk about banning Verdy p from the wiki permanently. as someone involved, I wanted to note that *this* actually doesn't make a good case to ban him. Every second OSM regulars table someone complaints about him. There are a tons of valid

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

On 28/10/2017 21:11, ajt1...@gmail.com wrote: If that's the case, then he's doing it wrong. Let's take a simple example - https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Derbyshire is supposed to be useful to local mappers and it should be easy to navigate to neighbouring counties. Unfortunately it

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

Blake I don't think this discussion is about if verdy_p's edits are right or wrong, expert or novice, large or small, helpful or destructive, but more that he completely fails to achieve any consensus, or even just issue a heads up a reasonable time in advance, before making large scale changes

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Éric Gillet wrote: > Can someone "claim ownership" of a wiki page for example by being the > first to write it, or being the most close geographically to the feature > described ? > I'm generally disinclined to say yes on this, by

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 03:53:12PM +0200, Blake Girardot wrote: > And I urge us to keep trying to find a way to understand verdy's wiki > work and work with Verdy on the wiki. ... ... > My impression is that much of verdy's improvements are just difficult > to understand for non wikimedia

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 9:02 AM, Éric Gillet wrote: > 2017-10-28 14:29 GMT+02:00 Ilya Zverev : > >> [Philippe Verdy's] number of edits makes his work virtually unverifyable >> and unrevertable. >> > > OSM is a do-o-cracy; blaming people (especially

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

ly offers handwaving rather than assistance. > > -- > Andrew > -- > *From:* weeklyteam <theweekly@gmail.com> > *Sent:* 28 October 2017 08:47:48 > *To:* talk@openstreetmap.org > *Subject:* [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23 > > The weekly round-up o

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

To clarify, I'm on Verdy's side regarding the calendar dispute (not that I follow it closely). Third-party developers should improve their wiki parsers, not impose restrictions on pages. But I don't like the introduction of microformats to the calendar template, which he made. It made reading

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

On 28/10/2017 14:53, Blake Girardot wrote: ... Please read his personal page on the wiki to understand his overall goal and why to achieve it he has made a lot (like thousands) of edits: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Verdy_p I've read many, many screeds written by him over the last

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

On 28.10.2017 at 19:15 Christoph Hormann wrote: Mapping in OSM is based on do-o-cratic principles, [...] But the OSM wiki as a meta-project for documenting and communicating about mapping is not a do-o-cracy on its own. You cannot simply invest a lot of time in the wiki and expect your ideas

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

On Saturday 28 October 2017, Éric Gillet wrote: > > That's what I meant by do-o-cracy, and I think it applies all the > same to the wiki, which really is a part of the OSM project. I was understanding do-o-cracy as a political philosophy here where influence and power of individuals is based on

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

I will quote what Verdy_p relayed to me during one of our conversations: Given that this is an ad nominem attack, compeltely unjustified by the fact > that this single person completely ignores the lot of things for which I've > received many thank-you on making the wiki internationalized, with

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

2017-10-28 19:15 GMT+02:00 Christoph Hormann : > A quick note - since i think it is important to make this distinction: > > But the OSM wiki as a meta-project for documenting and communicating > about mapping is not a do-o-cracy on its own. You cannot simply invest > a lot of

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

On Saturday 28 October 2017, Éric Gillet wrote: > [...] OSM is a do-o-cracy; blaming people > (especially people investing a lot of time) for their implication is > not the way to go. A quick note - since i think it is important to make this distinction: Mapping in OSM is based on do-o-cratic

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

> > -- > Andrew > -- > *From:* weeklyteam <theweekly@gmail.com> > *Sent:* 28 October 2017 08:47:48 > *To:* talk@openstreetmap.org > *Subject:* [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23 > > The weekly round-up of OSM new

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

2017-10-28 14:29 GMT+02:00 Ilya Zverev : > [Philippe Verdy's] number of edits makes his work virtually unverifyable > and unrevertable. > Without regard to the (objective?) quality of his work, you convey that he is to blame because of his important implication to the project ?

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

Greetings, As someone who has worked with Verdy P on a daily basis over the past few months, I find his wiki editing and organizing to be very good. He knows what he is doing. He is probably a top expert in wikimedia editing and organization, especially as it relates to the translateability of

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

I agree. Verdy p is very hard to work with on the wiki, and his number of edits makes his work virtually unverifyable and unrevertable. I assume has has alienated a lot of wiki contributors, including few people I know. Ilya Andrew Hain wrote: > It is now time to talk about banning Verdy p

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

I agree absolutely. Time to ban verdy_p for continually disruptive behaviour and an unwillingness to work with the community. Richard -- Sent from: http://gis.19327.n8.nabble.com/General-Discussion-f5171242.html ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23 The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 379, is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of all things happening in the openstreetmap world: http://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/9571/ Enjoy! weeklyOS

[OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 379, is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of all things happening in the openstreetmap world: http://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/9571/ Enjoy! weeklyOSM? who?: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WeeklyOSM#Available_Languages