Re: [talk-au] ODbL data.gov.au permission granted

2011-11-15 Thread Nilbog_aus_OSM
Thanks Michael. Actually seeing a full copy of an email including the OKing the use of gov.au data is what I was waiting for also. Getting an explicit email approving the use is going above and beyond for me and much appreciated. I haven't been following OSM as much as I did now my uses for it

Re: [talk-au] ODbL data.gov.au permission granted

2011-11-15 Thread Andrew Laughton
> Yahoo granted permission for us to trace from their imagery. yahoo > imagery was available in josm and potlatch for quite some time. So > I'd expect that your tracing of yahoo imagery is fine unless I > misunderstand what you did. > I knew it was fine at the time, while it licensed by CC-by-SA

Re: [talk-au] ODbL data.gov.au permission granted

2011-11-15 Thread Michael Collinson
On 15/11/2011 15:54, Andrew Laughton wrote: This is different to what I thought is was. Could someone please remind me why Nearmap and Google maps do not want us to trace their aerial views ? Google just don't allow it in their basic terms of service. We have asked them to allow us and the in

Re: [talk-au] ODbL data.gov.au permission granted

2011-11-15 Thread Richard Weait
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Andrew Laughton wrote: >> >> > Also if I agree to the new license, is there an easy way to delete all >> > my >> > Yahoo aerial tracing, or is this now allowed ? >> >> Why would you want to remove that data? > > I do not want to, but this is the reason I originall

Re: [talk-au] ODbL data.gov.au permission granted

2011-11-15 Thread Andrew Laughton
> > > > Also if I agree to the new license, is there an easy way to delete all my > > Yahoo aerial tracing, or is this now allowed ? > > Why would you want to remove that data? > I do not want to, but this is the reason I originally disagreed, because the derived data is not compatible with the op

Re: [talk-au] ODbL data.gov.au permission granted

2011-11-15 Thread Michael Collinson
On 15/11/2011 11:58, 80n wrote: Can you please publish the verbatim correspondence that you have had with your man at data.gov.au ? Your interpretation is fine, but others may see nuances that you have overlooked. The statement on the wiki is not a statement from data.gov

Re: [talk-au] ODbL data.gov.au permission granted

2011-11-15 Thread Richard Weait
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Andrew Laughton wrote: > This is different to what I thought is was. > Could someone please remind me why Nearmap and Google maps do not want us to > trace their aerial views ? That they don't want us to trace from their images is enough. They don't need to offer

Re: [talk-au] ODbL data.gov.au permission granted

2011-11-15 Thread Andrew Laughton
This is different to what I thought is was. Could someone please remind me why Nearmap and Google maps do not want us to trace their aerial views ? Also if I agree to the new license, is there an easy way to delete all my Yahoo aerial tracing, or is this now allowed ? I think I had a source tag o

Re: [talk-au] ODbL data.gov.au permission granted

2011-11-15 Thread Michael Collinson
On 15/11/2011 11:52, Andrew Laughton wrote: I fail to see a contradiction. If you are not sure about something, you ask explicitly and get an explicit answer. That is what we got. That is what is written on the wiki with the kind assistance of data.gov.au .

Re: [talk-au] ODbL data.gov.au permission granted

2011-11-15 Thread Richard Fairhurst
[crosspost removed] 80n wrote: > Most importantly it allows subsequent copies of the produced work to be > made with no attribution. No, it doesn't. An attribution statement without a downstream requirement is not "reasonably calculated". This has been gone over ad nauseam in legal-talk. Richard

Re: [talk-au] ODbL data.gov.au permission granted

2011-11-15 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Andrew Laughton wrote: > Perhaps you could explain to us what happens if a third party takes > OSM data, and publishes it without any attribution at all. > Would they be in violation of the Open Database License ? Yes. The summary (http://opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/summary/) says: "Attri

Re: [talk-au] ODbL data.gov.au permission granted

2011-11-15 Thread Andrew Laughton
> I fail to see a contradiction. If you are not sure about something, you > ask explicitly and get an explicit answer. That is what we got. That is > what is written on the wiki with the kind assistance of data.gov.au. > If it helps, me formally affirm and represent what I have said before: I > ha

Re: [talk-au] ODbL data.gov.au permission granted

2011-11-15 Thread Michael Collinson
On 31/10/2011 17:51, 80n wrote: On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Michael Collinson > wrote: Could you please, for about the fifth time of asking, publish a verbatim copy the permission that you have received. If you have some reason that