Re: [talk-au] cities changed to towns

2012-12-11 Thread Alex Sims
On 11/12/2012 6:06 PM, Steve Bennett wrote: Ok, but I don't think we should get hung up on the coincidence between the Australian official meaning of "city" and the tag "place=city". (By coincidence, I mean, if we happened to speak some other language, obviously there'd be no official designati

Re: [talk-au] cities changed to towns

2012-12-11 Thread Chris Barham
Hi I disagree, I believe the greater than 100,000 test is not applicable within Australia. OSM Wiki says a city is: The largest urban settlements in the territory, normally including the national, state and provincial capitals. These are defined by charter or other governmental designation in some

Re: [talk-au] cities changed to towns

2012-12-11 Thread Mark Pulley
On 11/12/2012, at 9:17 AM, Chris Barham wrote: > Hi, > some Australian places have changed from cities to towns on; > changeset was: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/14217241 The ones on the changeset that I think should be cities are: NSW: Albury, Bathurst, Broken Hill, Coffs Harbo

Re: [talk-au] cities changed to towns

2012-12-11 Thread Paul HAYDON
Hi everyone, Firstly, a qualification:I've not read the Wiki on this subject, so this is simply my opinion without the support of guidelines/rules/etc. I believe, having authored/compiled some detail Magellan maps for eXplorist GPSrs this year, that more important than guidelines or rules that a

Re: [talk-au] cities changed to towns

2012-12-11 Thread Steve Bennett
>I would want "place=city" to refer to an urban populated area of at least 100,000 people as per http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:place#Values > > I've taken to fixing errors from Geofabrik OSMI and have changed places to > match the schema above. Whilst I find hamlet & village grate on me a

Re: [talk-au] cities changed to towns

2012-12-11 Thread David
Mind you, this http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Victoria,_Australia Tells us that cities need at least 50,000 people, i guess Victoria is special. Seriously, i don't think a hard number only test is very appropriate. David Steve Bennett wrote: >>I would want "place=city" to r

Re: [talk-au] cities changed to towns

2012-12-11 Thread Alex Sims
On 12/12/2012 7:30 AM, David wrote: Looking at the wiki page you cite, it's clear that those definitions are intended as rules of thumb: "Populations of villages vary widely in different territories but will nearly always be less than 10,000 people, often a lot less."; "[Cities s]hhould norma

Re: [talk-au] cities changed to towns

2012-12-11 Thread Nick Hocking
Hi Alex, My view on all this is that if a place has officially been designated as a city then we must tag it as such. If it is offically a town then we must tag it as a town etc. If we can't find any official designation then either common sense of maybe a state specific rule could be applied. A

Re: [talk-au] cities changed to towns

2012-12-11 Thread Alex Sims
On 12/12/2012 2:54 PM, Nick Hocking wrote: My view on all this is that if a place has officially been designated as a city then we must tag it as such. If it is offically a town then we must tag it as a town etc. If we can't find any official designation then either common sense of maybe a stat

Re: [talk-au] cities changed to towns

2012-12-11 Thread Christoph Donges
Wikipedia has some different information (with references) that are considerably different. Since the start of the 20th century, local government acts in each state > specify the criteria and thresholds and applications are made to the Governors > of the Australian > states