Re: [talk-au] Roadside rest areas tagged as camp sites

On 03-Jun-17 08:22 AM, Andrew Harvey wrote: On 2 June 2017 at 18:48, Mark Pulley wrote: Quoting Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: _Truck Parking_ Some places have had the name 'Truck Parking' applied to them (service roads, parking areas and rest areas too). Not good. My

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The adjacent 'cycleway' is marked foot=yes, bicycle=yes So I would assume the rest area is also for people and bicycles only .. so use some access tags on the rest area? motor_vehicle=no foot=yes bicycle=yes On 03-Jun-17 10:51 AM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: Hi Query re a bit of a different

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Hi Query re a bit of a different slant to rest areas. Was looking at the map t'other day & noticed a Rest Area marked off the side of the Motorway, in what I thought was a rather strange spot? http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/-27.60146/152.87914 When I had a look via Google, there is in

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On 2 June 2017 at 18:48, Mark Pulley wrote: > Quoting Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > >> _Truck Parking_ >> Some places have had the name 'Truck Parking' applied to them (service >> roads, parking areas and rest areas too). Not good. >> My confusion here is does this mean

Re: [talk-au] Roadside rest areas tagged as camp sites

Quoting Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: _Truck Parking_ Some places have had the name 'Truck Parking' applied to them (service roads, parking areas and rest areas too). Not good. My confusion here is does this mean truck only? I think other users may have the same issue. And some rest areas have

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Hi, I have used the LPI Base Map to add rest areas in NSW. Halfway through this I though on my personal preferences for rests areas; a toilet separation from the road - by distance and/or trees shelter - more trees? So I have added those features from that point on, using imagery. Some

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Warin, I agree with you in theory. I almost never camp at a site without a toilet because such camp sites are sometimes in a disgusting state. However, when mapping, we should not apply our particular moral beliefs, fact is lots of people do stay at such sites. If its legal and practical to do

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The essential difference between these 'camping' activities is the provision of a self contained toilet. (A shower is then secondary.) Where there is no self contained toilet the occupants then seek local relief and that can lead to problems. So that is a mapping issue for me. One of the

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I don't really think we'd have to differentiate between motorhomes & campervans, because really, they are the same concept, just different sizes, but crrying on from that, & just to throw another level of complication in :-), where do camper trailers come into things. For clarification for those

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We'll get there. Crossed posts. No rush. highway=rest_area rest_area:camping=caravan ? My previous post had :conditional ... and that is wrong. I don't know about applying camp_site tags to rest areas, maybe. Will think on it. On 26-Apr-17 05:29 PM, David Bannon wrote: Hmm, at risk of

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On 26-Apr-17 05:17 PM, David Bannon wrote: On 25/04/17 20:33, Warin wrote: Take the respective 'tourism=camp_site' data to 'highway=rest_area' with 'caravan=yes'. Just what will that mean then ? That a caravan can pull into the rest area ? We will loose the information that camping is, at

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Hmm, at risk of answering my own question, there is a key, camp_site=* that is intended to apply to tourism=camp_site. Could you apply it to a rest area as well ? highway=rest_area camp_site=basic caravan=yes tent=no David On 26/04/17 17:17, David Bannon wrote: On 25/04/17 20:33, Warin

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On 25/04/17 20:33, Warin wrote: Take the respective 'tourism=camp_site' data to 'highway=rest_area' with 'caravan=yes'. Just what will that mean then ? That a caravan can pull into the rest area ? We will loose the information that camping is, at least primafacie allowed/practical ? I

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A sample from most of NSW. 167 with tourism=camp_site and name~"Rest Area" , these are mostly eastern NSW. ~900 with highway=rest_area ~10 duplicates between the two cases. . The NSW govt. list is ~1,000. To Do?? Take the respective 'tourism=camp_site' data to 'highway=rest_area' with

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3 AM To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-au] Roadside rest areas tagged as camp sites On 24-Apr-17 09:47 AM, Nicholas G Lawrence wrote: > > There are also Driver Reviver spots which may also be useful to capture? > > Cheers, > Nick Lawrence > > I see 'Driver Revive

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On 24-Apr-17 09:47 AM, Nicholas G Lawrence wrote: There are also Driver Reviver spots which may also be useful to capture? Cheers, Nick Lawrence I see 'Driver Reviver' as temporary - usually a holiday peak thing manned by a local charity (Rotary etc). They also appear in 'rest areas'.

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...@tmr.qld.gov.au] Sent: Monday, 24 April 2017 9:48 AM To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-au] Roadside rest areas tagged as camp sites Quoting from the "Guide to Queensland Roads" by Queensland Department of Transport and Main Roads. "Motorist Rest Areas - Rest areas ar

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spots which may also be useful to capture? Cheers, Nick Lawrence -Original Message- From: cleary [mailto:o...@97k.com] Sent: Saturday, 22 April 2017 10:28 AM To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-au] Roadside rest areas tagged as camp sites I draw a parallel with other a

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I draw a parallel with other amenities. Some cafes are licensed to sell limited alcohol but that does not make them pubs; and some pubs serve coffee but that does not make them cafes. And both cafes and pubs often serve food. While there can be overlap in services provided by amenities, map

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On 20/04/17 19:50, Warin wrote: Thanks. Sometimes my 'plain English' understanding gets the better of the 'OSM meanings'! Hmm, I think people in caravans do think they are camping. If there is a sign, "no camping" we assume it means no caravans too. a) I do think that 'rest areas' should be

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On 20-Apr-17 06:07 PM, David Bannon wrote: Warin, may I please refer you to the first sentence from the tourism=camp_site tag ? "A campsite or campground is an area, usually divided into a number of pitches, where people can camp overnight using

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Warin, may I please refer you to the first sentence from the tourism=camp_site tag ? "A campsite or campground is an area, usually divided into a number of pitches, where people can camp overnight using tents or camper vans or caravans."

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Rest Areas ... a summary so far? _Best tag_ to use is highway=rest_area as this reflects what they actually are. _'Camping_' is limited in most of these due to the hard surfaces, it would be better to use a caravan tag where this is 'on the ground truth'. A tag to use under rest area looks

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Quoting Nick Hocking : tents=yes/no amd caravans=yes/no can be used. I can't find any specific tags for campervans (taginfo only has 3 instances worldwide of campervan/campervans) - presumably caravans=yes/no will cover this. I think that if they are signed on the

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& again... Lists of rest areas Oz wide: http://www.thegreynomads.com.au/planning/where-to-camp/rest-areas/ Thanks Graeme On 19 April 2017 at 13:19, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > Hi > > In Qld at least, overnight camping is not permitted in a lot of rest areas > as they

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Hi In Qld at least, overnight camping is not permitted in a lot of rest areas as they are intended for heavy vehicles, & where private vehicles are allowed to stop overnight, the maximum stay is 20 hours, so there's no one size fit's all answer. They do provide details of where all the rest

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Warin, I am not sure I agree. There are a number of what are officially Rest Areas that are set up, used and officially blessed as camp sites. Now the term "Camp Site" might mean different things to different people. To people with a caravan or motor home, and there are a lot of them, a camp

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I've changed a few of these 'camp sites' to 'rest areas' when I've come across them. Many of them were added prior to the existence of the rest area tag. I've got no issues with these being re-tagged. Quoting Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: I think the tag 'highway=rest_area' should replace

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That sounds sensible. In general I don't think a rest area should be tagged as a camp site. - Ben Kelley. On 19/04/2017 08:54, Warin wrote: Hi, I have seen a few roadside 'rest areas' tagged in OSM as camp sites. At least some of these are not suitable for pitching a tent .. so they

[talk-au] Roadside rest areas tagged as camp sites

Hi, I have seen a few roadside 'rest areas' tagged in OSM as camp sites. At least some of these are not suitable for pitching a tent .. so they are not camp sites. At best they could be used by a caravan/RV ... but not a tent user (I am a tent user). If the intention was to indicate