Re: [OSM-talk-be] Talk-be Digest, Vol 49, Issue 9

2012-01-20 Thread Jo
If we decide to go and remap a village during a mapping party, we can make
sure to gather all relevant data, including street names, maxspeeds, etc.
There shouldn't be any doubt about it, that we did this before applying
those tags (again or anew).

In your own neighbourhood, you can keep the names, on condition you are
sure about them and the way they are spelled. A bit further away you have
to drop the street names and other tags which cannot be gathered from clean
sources. I've been doing this many times, reluctantly on the one hand. But
I'm sure those names and other bits of data will be surveyed and entered
once again, someday.

Jo

2012/1/20 Sander Deryckere sander...@gmail.com



 2012/1/20 Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com



 Jo,

 do you mean that I need to prove that I actually was in a certain
 street before I can remove and remap it ? Do you still have all data
 (on paper, gps track, photo, etc.) of everything that you ever mapped
 ?

 What about landuse ? This is always mapped from satellite images ( I
 assumue). So why should one wait until it disappeared before mapping
 it again ?
 An example is the Lippelobos (close to Lippelo - what a surprise ;-)
 )  I know it's called Lippelobos, I've been there before, so I can
 remove the current area, and use Bing satellite images to remap it.
 But you say I have to wait until it's actually gone ?

 What about streets that I've passed when I surveyed for the
 knooppunten ? I did not write down the name of the streets because
 they were there. If I had known they would we lost, I would have noted
 them down.
 It's also easier when I delete/re-add the streets now than loose them
 and my own mapping work above them.

 regards

 m


 This was my mail, not Jo's.

 You never have to prove where you got your data from (innocent until the
 contrary is proven). But I just don't want to give anyone a reason to sue
 OSM.

 When you remove a way, and map it again from the satellite images, this is
 completely legal. But if you remember the name before you remove it, and
 apply that name to the new way, then you create some tricky things. One
 could argue that the name is from the original map, so it is a derived work
 from the original map, and you can't redistribute it under ODBL. This is
 the case for all tags on the way that can't be seen from satellite images
 (maxspeed, oneway ...).

 I'm not a lawyer and I've never followed any law courses, but I do
 remember that OSM asks to give nobody a reason to sue OSM, as even a court
 that is won by OSM could seriously hurt OSM.

 So all mappers have to decide for themselves, I can only say what I think
 about it.

 Cheers,
 Sander

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Talk-be Digest, Vol 49, Issue 9

2012-01-19 Thread Marc Gemis
Sander,

ivm met verschillende data op verschillende zoom levels. Ik vermoed
dat het gevolg is dat niet alle zoom levels op hetzelfde moment terug
worden opgebouwd. Je ziet gelijkaardige effecten op bv.
openwandelkaart.nl of de lonvia maps. Wandelwegen die je toevoegt,
verschijnen niet even snel op alle zoom levels.

Verder heb je natuurlijk ook het verschijnsel dat niet alle data
zichtbaar is op alle zoomlevels. Cafe's en restaurants vind je enkel
als je dieper inzoomt.

groeten

Marc

English:

Sander asked why the data in Cleanmap and badmap is not the same on
all levels. I think this is because the data for the different levels
is not rebuild at the same time. You have similar effects on e.g.
lonvia and openwandelkaart.nl Furthermore not all data is displayed at
all levels, think e.g. pubs and restaurants.

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Talk-be Digest, Vol 49, Issue 9

2012-01-19 Thread Marc Gemis
2012/1/20  talk-be-requ...@openstreetmap.org:   - Als we straten
maar verwijderen net voor we de nieuwe er op zetten, om   voorgaande
problemen op te lossen, dan bestaat het gevaar dat we de oude   OSM
data gebruiken om die opnieuw er op te zetten (wat ons in een
twijfelachtige situatie brengt qua copyright. Ik wil zeker
tegenstanders   van ODBL geen reden geven om OSM aan te klagen)



Jo,

do you mean that I need to prove that I actually was in a certain
street before I can remove and remap it ? Do you still have all data
(on paper, gps track, photo, etc.) of everything that you ever mapped
?

What about landuse ? This is always mapped from satellite images ( I
assumue). So why should one wait until it disappeared before mapping
it again ?
An example is the Lippelobos (close to Lippelo - what a surprise ;-)
)  I know it's called Lippelobos, I've been there before, so I can
remove the current area, and use Bing satellite images to remap it.
But you say I have to wait until it's actually gone ?

What about streets that I've passed when I surveyed for the
knooppunten ? I did not write down the name of the streets because
they were there. If I had known they would we lost, I would have noted
them down.
It's also easier when I delete/re-add the streets now than loose them
and my own mapping work above them.

regards

m

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