Re: [OSM-talk-be] additional Cycle node networks in Namur Luxembourg
2012/12/25 A.Pirard.Papou a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com On 2012-12-23 16:00, Jo wrote : 2012/12/23 A.Pirard.Papou a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com I would have liked to add node numbers, but I could not find on the Belgian OSM wiki how they're assigned. How can I do that? http://hiking.waymarkedtrails.org/en/?zoom=14lat=50.5256lon=5.7969 http://hiking.waymarkedtrails.org/en/?zoom=14lat=50.5256lon=5.7969 http://hiking.waymarkedtrails.org/en/?zoom=14lat=50.5256lon=5.7969The numbered nodes get rcn_ref with the number as the value. OK, I had understood I must use the number as the number. But, *how are those numbers assigned*? That means: who chooses them or do we have to invent them ourselves and are there any rules. This should be explained in the wiki so that it can be usable. The numbers are chosen by the tourism agency responsible for your area. Like in my region, it's WestTour (http://www.westtoer.be). They create maps, and they signpost the routes. Regards, Sander ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] additional Cycle node networks in Namur Luxembourg
On 2012-12-23 16:00, Jo wrote : 2012/12/23 A.Pirard.Papou a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com mailto:a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com I would have liked to add node numbers, but I could not find on the Belgian OSM wiki how they're assigned. How can I do that? http://hiking.waymarkedtrails.org/en/?zoom=14lat=50.5256lon=5.7969 http://hiking.waymarkedtrails.org/en/?zoom=14lat=50.5256lon=5.7969http://hiking.waymarkedtrails.org/en/?zoom=14lat=50.5256lon=5.7969The numbered nodes get rcn_ref with the number as the value. OK, I had understood I must use the number as the number. But, /*how are those numbers assigned*/? That means: who chooses them or do we have to invent them ourselves and are there any rules. This should be explained in the wiki so that it can be usable. Then you create a relation for each of the routes in between with: type=route route=bicycle network=rcn note=xx-yy To this relation you add all the ways to get from node xx to node yy, where xx is the lower numbered node. Then you can add all these nodes and route relations to another relation: type=network network=rcn name= I mentioned that our routes are both hiking and cycling. TIA for a bimodal configuration. You can have a look in the list of my recent edits for examples. I'm working on rcn networks a lot. Sure, if you, like I did, let us know the URLs to see them. Cheers, André. ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] additional Cycle node networks in Namur Luxembourg
On Tuesday 25 December 2012 23:24:01 A.Pirard.Papou wrote: On 2012-12-23 16:00, Jo wrote : 2012/12/23 A.Pirard.Papou a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com mailto:a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com I would have liked to add node numbers, but I could not find on the Belgian OSM wiki how they're assigned. How can I do that? http://hiking.waymarkedtrails.org/en/?zoom=14lat=50.5256lon=5.7969 http://hiking.waymarkedtrails.org/en/?zoom=14lat=50.5256lon=5.7969ht tp://hiking.waymarkedtrails.org/en/?zoom=14lat=50.5256lon=5.7969The numbered nodes get rcn_ref with the number as the value. OK, I had understood I must use the number as the number. But, /*how are those numbers assigned*/? That means: who chooses them or do we have to invent them ourselves and are there any rules. This should be explained in the wiki so that it can be usable. I don't really understand the question here. If you want to add cycle nodes from a network, then those numbers are on the signs at that junction. If this is for a route you invented yourself, then the route doesn't have a place in OSM anyway... Greetings Ben ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] additional Cycle node networks in Namur Luxembourg
On 2012-12-15 13:03, Jo wrote : (And thanks for writing that letter, your French is quite good!) Hi EeBie, That's great news! Unfortunately we can't use their map or the GPX files from their web site without their explicit permission. I'll try to whip up a message in French to ask for that permission, but usually the answer to such requests is nyet. Meaning we'll have to go and survey it ourselves or with help of gpx files recorded by people who'll go out and ride them. The advantage of doing it ourselves is that it's possible to make a lot more pictures and notes and improve the rest of the data around there at the same time. The copyright information must be written inside the metadata, obtained with a WMS Getcapabilities http://schemas.opengis.net/wms/1.1.1/capabilities_1_1_1.xml request to or extracted from the GPX XML file according the GPX schema (1.1) http://www.topografix.com/gpx/1/1/gpx.xsd. (just like finding the © written in a book or on a record dispenses everybody to inquire) But does a © on a map forbid photocopying the map or learning the route by heart and map it? You can also consider listing *Les itinéraires touristiques balisés* http://cgt.tourismewallonie.be/default.aspx?pg=9e9d7134-fa22-4015-b8d7-768eef2544f2 (legally official site) for Wallonie. Several communes consider that the routes are both cycling and biking. I have mapped routes in the commune Sprimont and Theux http://hiking.waymarkedtrails.org/en/?zoom=13lat=50.51982lon=5.71373 with the official IDs. SP3 and most of TE is missing. I e-mailed both adms but I've got no reply. Someone made something similar in Tillf http://hiking.waymarkedtrails.org/en/?zoom=14lat=50.56067lon=5.58773, but I don't see any official IDs for Tilff. I would have liked to add node numbers, but I could not find on the Belgian OSM wiki how they're assigned. How van I do that? I made a cycle route here http://hiking.waymarkedtrails.org/en/?zoom=14lat=50.5256lon=5.7969. Completely unofficial and off the top of my head. I chose it because it's almost flat in a very hilly region, but I do not know how to show that on the map. How could I? I'd love to draw more if someone around got interested or ever replied to my e-mails. Sprimont do not seem to officially list anything bike specific. Should I be inventive and made unofficial routes? I'm almost sure some kids nearby would help me. We should request OSM to add Waymart map layers http://hiking.waymarkedtrails.org/en/?zoom=13lat=50.51982lon=5.71373 to their site, they're simply great. Could we suggest firms that use GoogleMaps to use OpenStreetMap instead and to help them adding to OSM what they need? http://hiking.waymarkedtrails.org/en/?zoom=14lat=50.5256lon=5.7969Please do not change what I mapped, but suggest anything you want. Cordialement, André. I hope you don't mind I'm going to change your nodes a bit. For one the nodes don't need network=rcn or bicycle=yes. It's enough if they have an rcn_ref tag. This is to avoid having to put network=rcn;rwn for nodes that are common between walking and cycling networks. Cheers, Jo Op 15 december 2012 01:43 schreef EeBie ebe...@gmail.com mailto:ebe...@gmail.com het volgende: Jo, You can add a new cycle network to the list. Since this year there is a cycle node network in Namur and Luxembourg: Famenne-à-Vélo. See http://www.famenne-a-velo.be/ http://www.famenne-a-velo.be/They speak about 350 km in total. I encountered a few node signs while hiking in the region and tagged 3 of them and one route (154-155) in the neighborhood of Wavreille map http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.12596lon=5.24383zoom=16layers=M . The website offers the possibility to download GPX files of the routes. I don’t have any idea if it is permitted to use those to add the route to OSM. The application is developed by Geolives. That company writes that they can also make applications based on OSM. (the website for Famenne-à-Vélo uses Google maps). The reference list of Geolives shows also several (walking) routes in Wallonie. Erik ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] additional Cycle node networks in Namur Luxembourg
The numbered nodes get rcn_ref with the number as the value. Then you create a relation for each of the routes in between with: type=route route=bicycle network=rcn note=xx-yy To this relation you add all the ways to get from node xx to node yy, where xx is the lower numbered node. Then you can add all these nodes and route relations to another relation: type=network network=rcn name= Don't become 'inventive' or 'creative'. We only map the routes that are signposted. You can have a look in the list of my recent edits for examples. I'm working on rcn networks a lot. Jo 2012/12/23 A.Pirard.Papou a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com On 2012-12-15 13:03, Jo wrote : (And thanks for writing that letter, your French is quite good!) Hi EeBie, That's great news! Unfortunately we can't use their map or the GPX files from their web site without their explicit permission. I'll try to whip up a message in French to ask for that permission, but usually the answer to such requests is nyet. Meaning we'll have to go and survey it ourselves or with help of gpx files recorded by people who'll go out and ride them. The advantage of doing it ourselves is that it's possible to make a lot more pictures and notes and improve the rest of the data around there at the same time. The copyright information must be written inside the metadata, obtained with a WMS Getcapabilitieshttp://schemas.opengis.net/wms/1.1.1/capabilities_1_1_1.xmlrequest to or extracted from the GPX XML file according the GPX schema (1.1) http://www.topografix.com/gpx/1/1/gpx.xsd. (just like finding the © written in a book or on a record dispenses everybody to inquire) But does a © on a map forbid photocopying the map or learning the route by heart and map it? You can also consider listing *Les itinéraires touristiques balisés*http://cgt.tourismewallonie.be/default.aspx?pg=9e9d7134-fa22-4015-b8d7-768eef2544f2 (legally official site) for Wallonie. Several communes consider that the routes are both cycling and biking. I have mapped routes in the commune Sprimont and Theuxhttp://hiking.waymarkedtrails.org/en/?zoom=13lat=50.51982lon=5.71373 with the official IDs. SP3 and most of TE is missing. I e-mailed both adms but I've got no reply. Someone made something similar in Tillfhttp://hiking.waymarkedtrails.org/en/?zoom=14lat=50.56067lon=5.58773, but I don't see any official IDs for Tilff. I would have liked to add node numbers, but I could not find on the Belgian OSM wiki how they're assigned. How van I do that? I made a cycle route herehttp://hiking.waymarkedtrails.org/en/?zoom=14lat=50.5256lon=5.7969. Completely unofficial and off the top of my head. I chose it because it's almost flat in a very hilly region, but I do not know how to show that on the map. How could I? I'd love to draw more if someone around got interested or ever replied to my e-mails. Sprimont do not seem to officially list anything bike specific. Should I be inventive and made unofficial routes? I'm almost sure some kids nearby would help me. We should request OSM to add Waymart map layershttp://hiking.waymarkedtrails.org/en/?zoom=13lat=50.51982lon=5.71373to their site, they're simply great. Could we suggest firms that use GoogleMaps to use OpenStreetMap instead and to help them adding to OSM what they need? http://hiking.waymarkedtrails.org/en/?zoom=14lat=50.5256lon=5.7969Please do not change what I mapped, but suggest anything you want. Cordialement, André. I hope you don't mind I'm going to change your nodes a bit. For one the nodes don't need network=rcn or bicycle=yes. It's enough if they have an rcn_ref tag. This is to avoid having to put network=rcn;rwn for nodes that are common between walking and cycling networks. Cheers, Jo Op 15 december 2012 01:43 schreef EeBie ebe...@gmail.com het volgende: Jo, You can add a new cycle network to the list. Since this year there is a cycle node network in Namur and Luxembourg: Famenne-à-Vélo. See http://www.famenne-a-velo.be/ http://www.famenne-a-velo.be/They speak about 350 km in total. I encountered a few node signs while hiking in the region and tagged 3 of them and one route (154-155) in the neighborhood of Wavreille maphttp://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.12596lon=5.24383zoom=16layers=M. The website offers the possibility to download GPX files of the routes. I don’t have any idea if it is permitted to use those to add the route to OSM. The application is developed by Geolives. That company writes that they can also make applications based on OSM. (the website for Famenne-à-Vélo uses Google maps). The reference list of Geolives shows also several (walking) routes in Wallonie. Erik ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org
Re: [OSM-talk-be] additional Cycle node networks in Namur Luxembourg
For your own favorite walks, cycle routes etc you can use either GPSies.org or wikiloc.org m ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
