Re: [Talk-ca] Wind farm access roads that really shouldn't be in OSM

2012-03-20 Thread Gerald A
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 9:52 PM, Harald Kliems kli...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 8:53 PM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: highway=service with access=no or access=private then. Many service roads aren't open to the public. If the road is there and is a service road,

Re: [Talk-ca] Wind farm access roads that really shouldn't be in OSM

2012-03-20 Thread Stewart C. Russell
On 12-03-19 21:52 , Harald Kliems wrote: I'd like to add, though, that there is a problem with verifiability here. If you can't access a highway and it's not visible on aerial imagery then how can verify it's actually there? They're definitely not visible on orthophotos. Most of rural

Re: [Talk-ca] Wind farm access roads that really shouldn't be in OSM

2012-03-20 Thread James Ewen
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 12:00 AM, Gerald A geraldabli...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not a big supporter of imports, but if you are going to use them, you should use and verify all of them, not just some bits. I'm not sure if there is a key/tag for unverified, but it might be worth looking at.

Re: [Talk-ca] Wind farm access roads that really shouldn't be in OSM

2012-03-20 Thread Harald Kliems
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 9:21 AM, James Ewen ve6...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 12:00 AM, Gerald A geraldabli...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not a big supporter of imports, but if you are going to use them, you should use and verify all of them, not just some bits. I'm not sure if there

Re: [Talk-ca] Wind farm access roads that really shouldn't be in OSM

2012-03-20 Thread James Ewen
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 8:12 AM, Harald Kliems kli...@gmail.com wrote: I can't speak for Gerald, but my point was more about verifiability than about verifiedness. That is, about the question whether a way can _in principle_ be verified vs. whether it actually _has_ been verified. The latter

[Talk-ca] Wind farm access roads that really shouldn't be in OSM

2012-03-19 Thread Stewart C. Russell
I've notice a few ways in OSM like this one: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/39334713 that really shouldn't be in the database. They're GeoBase imports via the NRN. They're not tagged in any way that would allow removal. There is no public access on these roads. They're mostly gated

Re: [Talk-ca] Wind farm access roads that really shouldn't be in OSM

2012-03-19 Thread Corey Burger
If they physically exist, we should tag them. Just add a gate=yes tag to them. On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Stewart C. Russell scr...@gmail.com wrote: I've notice a few ways in OSM like this one: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/39334713 that really shouldn't be in the database.

Re: [Talk-ca] Wind farm access roads that really shouldn't be in OSM

2012-03-19 Thread Paul Norman
-Original Message- From: Stewart C. Russell [mailto:scr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 4:22 PM To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-ca] Wind farm access roads that really shouldn't be in OSM I've notice a few ways in OSM like this one: http

Re: [Talk-ca] Wind farm access roads that really shouldn't be in OSM

2012-03-19 Thread Stewart C. Russell
On 12-03-19 19:45 , Paul Norman wrote: I'd just retag as highway=service, but it definitely belongs in the DB if there's a road or path there, just not tagged like it is. But it's not a highway, which implies access. There is no access. The particular one I tagged, given the amount of

Re: [Talk-ca] Wind farm access roads that really shouldn't be in OSM

2012-03-19 Thread Corey Burger
OSM makes no judgements about what we are mapping (beyond a few unavoidable basics). Not mapping something because the police are going to get you is on the face ridiculous. So map, add a note about it being private and add that gate. On Mar 19, 2012 5:07 PM, Stewart C. Russell scr...@gmail.com

Re: [Talk-ca] Wind farm access roads that really shouldn't be in OSM

2012-03-19 Thread Paul Norman
-Original Message- From: Stewart C. Russell [mailto:scr...@gmail.com] Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Wind farm access roads that really shouldn't be in OSM On 12-03-19 19:45 , Paul Norman wrote: I'd just retag as highway=service, but it definitely belongs in the DB if there's a road

Re: [Talk-ca] Wind farm access roads that really shouldn't be in OSM

2012-03-19 Thread James Ewen
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 6:07 PM, Stewart C. Russell scr...@gmail.com wrote: But it's not a highway, which implies access. There is no access. The generic use of the word highway implies public access, but in OSM parlance, the term highway is used as a key, and the value assigned indicates the

Re: [Talk-ca] Wind farm access roads that really shouldn't be in OSM

2012-03-19 Thread Harald Kliems
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 8:53 PM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: highway=service with access=no or access=private then. Many service roads aren't open to the public. If the road is there and is a service road, it's mappable. I'd like to add, though, that there is a problem with