Re: [Talk-ca] [Import] Local community approval building & addresses in Peel region

[James]

If you are asking if we are going to just dump a whole lot of data as is in
a region, the answer is no. Each tile is going to need manual work to
determine what data(adress, building outline, building+adress) and to
verify that the data is accurate

On Sep 8, 2016 7:15 PM, "Stewart Russell"  wrote:

> Hi Dennis - thanks for getting back to me.
>
> > We will be using the Tasking Manager to import small chunks of data that
> can be downloaded via each individual tasks.
>
> So these could possibly be carried out by regular user accounts, not the
> dedicated import accounts as required by the guidelines?
>
> Cheers
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Re: [Talk-ca] [Import] Local community approval building & addresses in Peel region

[Stewart Russell]

Hi Dennis - thanks for getting back to me.

> We will be using the Tasking Manager to import small chunks of data that
can be downloaded via each individual tasks.

So these could possibly be carried out by regular user accounts, not the
dedicated import accounts as required by the guidelines?

Cheers
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Re: [Talk-ca] Fwd: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licence compatibility: Open Data Licence for The Regional Municipality of Peel (Version 1.0)

[Kevin Farrugia]

Thanks for looking into it Stewart.

Are there any examples from other exemptions that I can look at when I
bring it up?

On Sep 8, 2016 6:20 PM, "James"  wrote:

> This is something Kevin Farrugia might be able to help us with
>
> On Sep 8, 2016 6:12 PM, "Stewart Russell"  wrote:
>
>> I checked on OSM-legal. Would probably work if we had a statement from
>> Peel agreeing to inclusion. As is, it's likely not compatible.
>>
>> Stewart
>>
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: "Simon Poole" 
>> Date: Sep 8, 2016 13:57
>> Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licence compatibility: Open Data Licence
>> for The Regional Municipality of Peel (Version 1.0)
>> To: 
>> Cc:
>>
>> >
>> > The additional terms are "a bit of" a problem, however might be
>> surmountable if they are willing to give us a statement specifically for
>> the inclusion in OSM (along the lines of that they agree that the inclusion
>> of the data in OpenStreetMap and distribution on terms of an open and free
>> licence fulfils the conditions).
>> >
>> > All variants of the OGL have a further issue in that you actually have
>> to verify that the Licensor has the necessary rights to licence -all- the
>> material in their dataset to you on these terms. This might seem like a
>> theoretical hurdle invented by me, alas it is not, as some of our UK
>> colleagues can testify.
>> >
>> > Simon
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Re: [Talk-ca] Fwd: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licence compatibility: Open Data Licence for The Regional Municipality of Peel (Version 1.0)

[James]

This is something Kevin Farrugia might be able to help us with

On Sep 8, 2016 6:12 PM, "Stewart Russell"  wrote:

> I checked on OSM-legal. Would probably work if we had a statement from
> Peel agreeing to inclusion. As is, it's likely not compatible.
>
> Stewart
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: "Simon Poole" 
> Date: Sep 8, 2016 13:57
> Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licence compatibility: Open Data Licence for
> The Regional Municipality of Peel (Version 1.0)
> To: 
> Cc:
>
> >
> > The additional terms are "a bit of" a problem, however might be
> surmountable if they are willing to give us a statement specifically for
> the inclusion in OSM (along the lines of that they agree that the inclusion
> of the data in OpenStreetMap and distribution on terms of an open and free
> licence fulfils the conditions).
> >
> > All variants of the OGL have a further issue in that you actually have
> to verify that the Licensor has the necessary rights to licence -all- the
> material in their dataset to you on these terms. This might seem like a
> theoretical hurdle invented by me, alas it is not, as some of our UK
> colleagues can testify.
> >
> > Simon
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[Talk-ca] Fwd: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licence compatibility: Open Data Licence for The Regional Municipality of Peel (Version 1.0)

[Stewart Russell]

I checked on OSM-legal. Would probably work if we had a statement from Peel
agreeing to inclusion. As is, it's likely not compatible.

Stewart

-- Forwarded message --
From: "Simon Poole" 
Date: Sep 8, 2016 13:57
Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licence compatibility: Open Data Licence for
The Regional Municipality of Peel (Version 1.0)
To: 
Cc:

>
> The additional terms are "a bit of" a problem, however might be
surmountable if they are willing to give us a statement specifically for
the inclusion in OSM (along the lines of that they agree that the inclusion
of the data in OpenStreetMap and distribution on terms of an open and free
licence fulfils the conditions).
>
> All variants of the OGL have a further issue in that you actually have to
verify that the Licensor has the necessary rights to licence -all- the
material in their dataset to you on these terms. This might seem like a
theoretical hurdle invented by me, alas it is not, as some of our UK
colleagues can testify.
>
> Simon
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Re: [Talk-ca] [Import] Local community approval building & addresses in Peel region

[James]

I will repeat myself:
Yes, there is a reason I put this documentation in .md(mark down), as it is
the same format used by the wiki. So all information that is found on
github will be transferred over to the wiki once local approval is done.

Posting on the talk-ca is to get the local community's approval before
moving on to the imports list

Here it is in German, just in case:
Ja, es ist ein Grund, warum ich diese Dokumentation in .md (mark down), wie es
das gleiche Format, das von dem Wiki verwendet wird. Also alle
Informationen, die auf Github werden übertragen über in das Wiki zu finden
ist, wenn lokale Genehmigung erfolgt.

Veröffentlichung auf der Diskussions-ca ist die lokale Gemeinde die
Genehmigung, bevor sie zu der Einfuhrliste zu erhalten


Guten Tag Herr.

On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 3:58 PM, Michael Reichert  wrote:

> Hi James,
>
> Am 08.09.2016 um 18:49 schrieb James:
> > As per the import guide lines I wish to seek approval for importing
> > building outlines and addresses in the region of Peel.
> >
> > Documentation is available here:
> > https://github.com/osmottawa/imports/blob/master/Peel-Region.md
>
> You know that the import documentation has to be placed at OSM Wiki,
> didn't you? Step 4.2 of import guidelines says:
> > You must write a plan for your import in the OSM wiki. Create a wiki
> > page outlining the details of your plan. […]
>
> Best regards
>
> Michael
>
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Re: [Talk-ca] [Import] Local community approval building & addresses in Peel region

[john whelan]

Good heavens and I thought guidelines meant guidelines not that must do
everything that someone has written in the wiki.

I think perhaps the use of I would suggest the following in carried out as
recommended in the wiki would go a lot further on the community side of
things as opposed to thou shalt etc. and we are supposed to be a community.

Cheerio John

On 8 September 2016 at 15:58, Michael Reichert  wrote:

> Hi James,
>
> Am 08.09.2016 um 18:49 schrieb James:
> > As per the import guide lines I wish to seek approval for importing
> > building outlines and addresses in the region of Peel.
> >
> > Documentation is available here:
> > https://github.com/osmottawa/imports/blob/master/Peel-Region.md
>
> You know that the import documentation has to be placed at OSM Wiki,
> didn't you? Step 4.2 of import guidelines says:
> > You must write a plan for your import in the OSM wiki. Create a wiki
> > page outlining the details of your plan. […]
>
> Best regards
>
> Michael
>
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Re: [Talk-ca] [Import] Local community approval building & addresses in Peel region

[Kevin Farrugia]

That was addressed in James' previous email after Stewart asked about it.

"Yes, there is a reason I put this documentation in .md(mark down), as it
is the same format used by the wiki. So all information that is found on
github will be *transferred over to the wiki once local approval is done.*"

I wouldn't say that's unreasonable from my standpoint - if the local
(Canadian) community decides not to approve then we don't make dead wiki
pages.

Kevin

On Sep 8, 2016 4:00 PM, "Michael Reichert"  wrote:

> Hi James,
>
> Am 08.09.2016 um 18:49 schrieb James:
> > As per the import guide lines I wish to seek approval for importing
> > building outlines and addresses in the region of Peel.
> >
> > Documentation is available here:
> > https://github.com/osmottawa/imports/blob/master/Peel-Region.md
>
> You know that the import documentation has to be placed at OSM Wiki,
> didn't you? Step 4.2 of import guidelines says:
> > You must write a plan for your import in the OSM wiki. Create a wiki
> > page outlining the details of your plan. […]
>
> Best regards
>
> Michael
>
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Re: [Talk-ca] [Import] Local community approval building & addresses in Peel region

[Michael Reichert]

Hi James,

Am 08.09.2016 um 18:49 schrieb James:
> As per the import guide lines I wish to seek approval for importing
> building outlines and addresses in the region of Peel.
> 
> Documentation is available here:
> https://github.com/osmottawa/imports/blob/master/Peel-Region.md

You know that the import documentation has to be placed at OSM Wiki,
didn't you? Step 4.2 of import guidelines says:
> You must write a plan for your import in the OSM wiki. Create a wiki
> page outlining the details of your plan. […]

Best regards

Michael


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Re: [Talk-ca] [Import] Local community approval building & addresses in Peel region

[James]

Also to follow up on the *"**ensure that Your Use of the Information does
not breach or infringe upon any applicable laws" *I think it can also
applied in the sense: Canada has banned displaying public addresses on
websites/to be viewed from the public(I know this is not the case, but this
is an example) so you wouldn't be able to use it in OSM as it can be
displayed to the public.

A more realistic case would be must not list military zones/addresses, but
there's no law against it in Canada. This isn't North Korea.

On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 2:41 PM, Kevin Farrugia 
wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> I'm the person at Peel that works with GIS data and posts data up to the
> open data site so I can probably answer most questions that might come up.
>
> 1) I can look into having some sort of change or special case of the
> licence for OSM if it is a show stopper, but the bureaucracy can move very
> slowly so it's nice avoiding it when possible ;). I'm not sure what the
> process would be for changes so I can't say what timelines would be like,
> either.
>
> I'll be at mappy hour next week after my couple month hiatus so no need to
> invite anyone special. :)
>
> Kevin
>
> On Sep 8, 2016 2:24 PM, "Stewart Russell"  wrote:
>
>> Hi James:
>>
>> As per the import guide lines I wish to seek approval for importing
>>> building outlines and addresses in the region of Peel.
>>>
>>> Documentation is available here:
>>> https://github.com/osmottawa/imports/blob/master/Peel-Region.md
>>>
>>
>> Seems like a decent outline, though I have questions:
>>
>>1. Is the Region of Peel licence compatible? I see that it has
>>automatic termination on breech (like many OGL clones) but it also adds
>>"ensure that Your Use of the Information does not breach or infringe upon
>>any applicable laws". This may add usage implications for those 
>> downstream.
>>(Some folks from Peel came to a Toronto Mappy Hour a few years back.
>>They might be willing to give permission to use the data under an
>>ODbL-compatible licence.)
>>2. How will you be handling overlapping existing buildings?
>>3. Will you be posting these notes to the OSM wiki? It's a
>>requirement of the guidelines (https://wiki.openstreetmap.or
>>g/wiki/Import/Guidelines#Step_4_-_Documentation
>>
>> ),
>>and given the recent visibility than Canada imports have gained, might 
>> help
>>avoid a procedural reversion.
>>
>> cheers from Portland, OR
>>
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Re: [Talk-ca] [Import] Local community approval building & addresses in Peel region

[Kevin Farrugia]

Hey all,

I'm the person at Peel that works with GIS data and posts data up to the
open data site so I can probably answer most questions that might come up.

1) I can look into having some sort of change or special case of the
licence for OSM if it is a show stopper, but the bureaucracy can move very
slowly so it's nice avoiding it when possible ;). I'm not sure what the
process would be for changes so I can't say what timelines would be like,
either.

I'll be at mappy hour next week after my couple month hiatus so no need to
invite anyone special. :)

Kevin

On Sep 8, 2016 2:24 PM, "Stewart Russell"  wrote:

> Hi James:
>
> As per the import guide lines I wish to seek approval for importing
>> building outlines and addresses in the region of Peel.
>>
>> Documentation is available here:
>> https://github.com/osmottawa/imports/blob/master/Peel-Region.md
>>
>
> Seems like a decent outline, though I have questions:
>
>1. Is the Region of Peel licence compatible? I see that it has
>automatic termination on breech (like many OGL clones) but it also adds
>"ensure that Your Use of the Information does not breach or infringe upon
>any applicable laws". This may add usage implications for those downstream.
>(Some folks from Peel came to a Toronto Mappy Hour a few years back.
>They might be willing to give permission to use the data under an
>ODbL-compatible licence.)
>2. How will you be handling overlapping existing buildings?
>3. Will you be posting these notes to the OSM wiki? It's a requirement
>of the guidelines (https://wiki.openstreetmap.
>org/wiki/Import/Guidelines#Step_4_-_Documentation
>
> ),
>and given the recent visibility than Canada imports have gained, might help
>avoid a procedural reversion.
>
> cheers from Portland, OR
>
>  Stewart
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Re: [Talk-ca] [Import] Local community approval building & addresses in Peel region

[Stewart Russell]

Hi James:

As per the import guide lines I wish to seek approval for importing
> building outlines and addresses in the region of Peel.
>
> Documentation is available here:
> https://github.com/osmottawa/imports/blob/master/Peel-Region.md
>

Seems like a decent outline, though I have questions:

   1. Is the Region of Peel licence compatible? I see that it has automatic
   termination on breech (like many OGL clones) but it also adds "ensure that
   Your Use of the Information does not breach or infringe upon any applicable
   laws". This may add usage implications for those downstream.
   (Some folks from Peel came to a Toronto Mappy Hour a few years back.
   They might be willing to give permission to use the data under an
   ODbL-compatible licence.)
   2. How will you be handling overlapping existing buildings?
   3. Will you be posting these notes to the OSM wiki? It's a requirement
   of the guidelines (
   
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines#Step_4_-_Documentation),
   and given the recent visibility than Canada imports have gained, might help
   avoid a procedural reversion.

cheers from Portland, OR

 Stewart
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[Talk-ca] weeklyOSM #320 08/30/2016-09/05/2016

[weeklyteam]

The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 320,
is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of all things 
happening in the openstreetmap world:

http://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/8078/

Enjoy!

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[Talk-ca] ImproveOSM new beta

[Martijn van Exel]

Hi all, 

I don’t know how familiar you are with ImproveOSM. It’s Telenav’s big data 
thrown at OSM. We detect missing roads, missing turn restrictions, and one-way 
streets. There is a JOSM plugin as well as a web site. 

The web site is what I wanted to highlight. We are about to overhaul it and 
it’s now completely based off of iD. You can find the beta version here: 
http://osm-id.skobbler.net:8000

What I would really like is more feedback from mappers. Is this useful and 
usable? What are the top 5 things you would improve or do differently?

As always your feedback is extremely valuable, and helps inform what the end 
product will look like. 

Respond on this thread, file an issue on 
https://github.com/Telenav/improveosm.org/issues  (no source there yet) or 
email me directly. 

Many thanks, 
Martijn
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