Re: [Talk-ca] Crowdsourcing buildings with Statistics Canada

2017-01-20 Thread James
I got Bjenk from Stats Can to get a statement from the city of Ottawa Monday to explicitly use the data in OSM. Licensing is compatible in terms of OGL-CA and ODBL, but if a statement allows the import to proceed we will get it even though is seems bureaucratic more than a legal issue Have a nice

Re: [Talk-ca] Crowdsourcing buildings with Statistics Canada

2017-01-20 Thread john whelan
Essentially OSM is not well set up to handle these sort of issues. Normally interpretations are base on custom and practice. The wording is slightly different between the two licences. OSM decision making for local matters is normally left to local mappers. So the decision to allow the import

Re: [Talk-ca] Crowdsourcing buildings with Statistics Canada

2017-01-20 Thread James
Is OGL-CA not compatible with osm? On Jan 20, 2017 8:17 PM, "Paul Norman" wrote: > On 1/20/2017 3:22 PM, James wrote: > > Old link to an old wiki. Please see: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canada:Ontario: > Ottawa/Import/Plan#Permission > > That says Ottawa gave some

Re: [Talk-ca] Crowdsourcing buildings with Statistics Canada

2017-01-20 Thread john whelan
Did you include permission for the bus stops as well? They are from the same source and the same licence. I think I might have included one pitch sport soccer. The pitch was mapped but the sport soccer was I must confess taken from their open data source. Thanks John On 20 Jan 2017 8:17 pm,

Re: [Talk-ca] Crowdsourcing buildings with Statistics Canada

2017-01-20 Thread Paul Norman
On 1/20/2017 3:22 PM, James wrote: Old link to an old wiki. Please see: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canada:Ontario:Ottawa/Import/Plan#Permission That says Ottawa gave some data to Stats Canada in 2016, not that their data can be reused under the ODbL. I've sent an email to them asking

Re: [Talk-ca] Crowdsourcing buildings with Statistics Canada

2017-01-20 Thread James
Thats old. Check https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canada:Ontario:Ottawa/Import/Plan#Permission On Jan 20, 2017 5:45 PM, "Paul Norman" wrote: > On 1/20/2017 12:40 PM, Ellefsen, Bjenk (STATCAN) wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > > > Big news, the City of Ottawa has released the

Re: [Talk-ca] Crowdsourcing buildings with Statistics Canada

2017-01-20 Thread James
Old link to an old wiki. Please see: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canada:Ontario:Ottawa/Import/Plan#Permission On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 5:44 PM, Paul Norman wrote: > On 1/20/2017 12:40 PM, Ellefsen, Bjenk (STATCAN) wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > > > Big news, the City of

Re: [Talk-ca] Crowdsourcing buildings with Statistics Canada

2017-01-20 Thread john whelan
We spent four years working with Treasury Board and Ottawa on the Open Data Licence and they took extensive consultations. Given four lawyers I'm sure one will say it isn't compatible but the feeling at Treasury Board was it is and the Ottawa license is based on the TB license. This particular

Re: [Talk-ca] Crowdsourcing buildings with Statistics Canada

2017-01-20 Thread Paul Norman
On 1/20/2017 12:40 PM, Ellefsen, Bjenk (STATCAN) wrote: Hello everyone, Big news, the City of Ottawa has released the footprint of over 325,000 buildings on their open data portal in support to the project with Statistics Canada and the OSM community. We are very grateful for the amazing

Re: [Talk-ca] Crowdsourcing buildings with Statistics Canada

2017-01-20 Thread James
Found license link that works here: http://ottawa.ca/en/city-hall/get-know-your-city/open-data#open-data-licence-version-2-0 On Jan 20, 2017 4:55 PM, "James" wrote: > No we are not. The data license of Ottawa is compatible with ODBL, website > link is borked, that is all.

Re: [Talk-ca] Crowdsourcing buildings with Statistics Canada

2017-01-20 Thread James
No we are not. The data license of Ottawa is compatible with ODBL, website link is borked, that is all. On Jan 20, 2017 4:50 PM, "john whelan" wrote: > We aren't talking about removing all the bus stops in Ottawa again are we? > > I thought we'd been through the licensing

Re: [Talk-ca] Crowdsourcing buildings with Statistics Canada

2017-01-20 Thread john whelan
We aren't talking about removing all the bus stops in Ottawa again are we? I thought we'd been through the licensing issues before and for those of us without cars knowing the bus stop number is extremely useful. Thanks Cheerio John On 20 January 2017 at 16:06, Martijn van Exel

Re: [Talk-ca] Crowdsourcing buildings with Statistics Canada

2017-01-20 Thread James
They might be updating the website, but the license is OGL-CA based: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canada:Ontario:Ottawa/Import/Plan#Licence On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 4:06 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote: > The license link is broken, is it this one? http://ottawa.ca/en/city- >

Re: [Talk-ca] Crowdsourcing buildings with Statistics Canada

2017-01-20 Thread Martijn van Exel
The license link is broken, is it this one? http://ottawa.ca/en/city-hall/get-know-your-city/open-data#open-data-licence-version-2-0 Martijn van Exel > On Jan 20, 2017, at 12:40 PM, Ellefsen, Bjenk

[Talk-ca] Crowdsourcing buildings with Statistics Canada

2017-01-20 Thread Ellefsen, Bjenk (STATCAN)
Hello everyone, Big news, the City of Ottawa has released the footprint of over 325,000 buildings on their open data portal in support to the project with Statistics Canada and the OSM community. We are very grateful for the amazing collaboration with the City of Ottawa on this pilot project

Re: [Talk-ca] [Talk-us] [Tagging] destination:street

2017-01-20 Thread Martijn van Exel
Hi Duane, Thanks. I had overlooked the examples page (even though I searched the OSM wiki for the exact term!) I do appreciate the granularity of the destination:street tagging and would encourage the Telenav mappers to use it as well then, but we like to stick to conventions that are

Re: [Talk-ca] [Talk-us] destination:street

2017-01-20 Thread Martijn van Exel
In the US the prefix would typically be in the network tag, like network=US:US ref=89 for US highway 89, etc. We have seen some of this in Canada as well. (CA:ON for Ontario highways etc.) Martijn van Exel > On Jan 20, 2017, at 12:57 AM, Paul Norman wrote: > > On 1/19/2017

Re: [Talk-ca] [Talk-us] destination:street

2017-01-20 Thread Paul Norman
On 1/19/2017 5:00 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote: Looking at a random one, http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/34154734 / http://openstreetcam.org/details/10767/4194 — I think in the US we would just map this as destination=Carman Road;Iriquois and destination:ref=1 That is how it would be