Re: [Talk-ca] Crowdsourcing with Statistics Canada

2017-01-21 Thread Stewart C. Russell
Hi Bjenk - > I am not sure why there is confusion about Ottawa's ODL and it's > equivalence to OGL because the information is public but here it is to > clarify: > > "The Open Data License is based on version 2.0 of the “Open Government > Licence – Canada” which was developed through public

Re: [Talk-ca] Crowdsourcing buildings with Statistics Canada

2017-01-21 Thread john whelan
It's to do with the way government works and is structured. What you have is an official interpretation which carries weight. Quite a lot of weight. Essentially both Canada and the UK are run by acts of parliament. However these are normally interpreted by civil servants to keep things running

Re: [Talk-ca] Crowdsourcing buildings with Statistics Canada

2017-01-21 Thread James
Well then that would mean we couldnt use any goverment licensed data as it would be an "interpretation" of a license and not made law in a house of commons/other law making place, which is unreasonable to expect. If lawyers are consulted to judge compatibility with the license they chose to

[Talk-ca] Crowdsourcing with Statistics Canada

2017-01-21 Thread Bjenk Ellefsen
I am not sure why there is confusion about Ottawa's ODL and it's equivalence to OGL because the information is public but here it is to clarify: "The Open Data License is based on version 2.0 of the “Open Government Licence – Canada” which was developed through public consultation and

Re: [Talk-ca] Crowdsourcing buildings with Statistics Canada

2017-01-21 Thread Paul Norman
On 1/21/2017 4:34 PM, john whelan wrote: What you have is an interpretation of the Federal Government license. From my background in the civil service my understanding is for a statement it would have to be over a minister's signature or by act of parliament. No one else has the authority

Re: [Talk-ca] Crowdsourcing buildings with Statistics Canada

2017-01-21 Thread john whelan
What you have is an interpretation of the Federal Government license. From my background in the civil service my understanding is for a statement it would have to be over a minister's signature or by act of parliament. No one else has the authority unless it is delegated. Cheerio John On 21

Re: [Talk-ca] Crowdsourcing buildings with Statistics Canada

2017-01-21 Thread Paul Norman
On 1/21/2017 3:48 PM, James wrote: It is, the thing they changed was federal references to municipal ones. Which is why i'm confused the license is "not compatible" We have a statement from the Federal government for their data under their license. The Federal government cannot make a

Re: [Talk-ca] Crowdsourcing buildings with Statistics Canada

2017-01-21 Thread James
It is, the thing they changed was federal references to municipal ones. Which is why i'm confused the license is "not compatible" On Jan 21, 2017 6:42 PM, "john whelan" wrote: > >I kept it generic, not specifying a particular dataset. That way we'll > have a final answer

Re: [Talk-ca] Crowdsourcing buildings with Statistics Canada

2017-01-21 Thread john whelan
>I kept it generic, not specifying a particular dataset. That way we'll have a final answer one way or the other and won't have to go back to them all the time. My understanding is the City of Ottawa one is based on the Federal Government one. Cheerio John On 21 January 2017 at 18:11, Paul

Re: [Talk-ca] Crowdsourcing buildings with Statistics Canada

2017-01-21 Thread Paul Norman
On 1/20/2017 5:33 PM, john whelan wrote: Did you include permission for the bus stops as well? They are from the same source and the same licence. I think I might have included one pitch sport soccer. The pitch was mapped but the sport soccer was I must confess taken from their open data

[Talk-ca] Crowdsourcing buildings with Statistics Canada

2017-01-21 Thread Bjenk Ellefsen
A couple of things to consider and what follows is in my name and I do not speak for StatCan: Open Data is the way Governments are going to release data to be used by the public freely. Many are working hard through consultations to further these initiatives precisely because they are the