Re: [Talk-ca] OSM Canada & State of the Map US: Oct 20-22
On 2017-09-27 05:49 PM, Matthew Darwin wrote: > Hi, > > Are any Canadian folks going to State of the Map US October 20-22 > https://2017.stateofthemap.us/ Nope. Wish I could afford it. > During the conference, I would like to have a discussion about turning > the informal https://www.osmcanada.ca/ into a not-for-profit Canadian > corporation. I'd be opposed. Who are osmcanada? They don't represent me. Last I heard it was an informal group of mappers in Ottawa. What would the non-profit do? How would it justify its status? Would it be attempting to be an OSMF Chapter? Stewart ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Stats Canada building project
On 2017-09-27 07:00 PM, john whelan wrote: > No we need to persuade the municipalities to move to the new standard > license in the TB kit Is this initiative published anywhere, John? I virtually attended the conference it was supposed to be announced at, and all there is is Jean-NoƩ's announcement: http://open.canada.ca/en/blog/coming-soon-do-it-yourself-open-data-toolkit I also don't remember any consultation on what it was going to look like. Stewart ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Stats Canada building project
municipalities will follow what the federal is doing. ideally everything would be public domain, but that would be a utopian world. forget them switching to ODbL, most people have no idea about it and is very restrictive when you want to change licenses in the future. On Sep 27, 2017 7:01 PM, "john whelan"wrote: > No we need to persuade the municipalities to move to the new standard > license in the TB kit and I think Stats will have better success that we > will in the first instance also Open-Ouvert could probably let us know > which municipalities have expressed an interest in the new license. > > Cheerio John > > On 27 September 2017 at 18:52, Alan Richards wrote: > >> It's still a different license for each city, province, or organisation, >> and the current opinion is that each different license needs to go through >> the same multi-month review to be approved for OSM. >> >> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 3:48 PM, john whelan >> wrote: >> >>> T.B. have what they call a Municipal Open Data kit which basically has >>> the same license as the city of Ottawa uses plus how to use it. >>> >>> Cheerio John >>> >>> On 27 September 2017 at 18:40, Stewart Russell wrote: >>> But they can't use OGL-CA v2 cos municipalities aren't federal. And anything but the actual few already approved licences need a multi-month review. Stewart On Sep 27, 2017 18:28, "James" wrote: > other then have them change their license from say ogl-ca v1 to > ogl-cav2 > > theres not much we can do from a legal stand point. ogl-ca v1 puts too > many restrictions > > On Sep 27, 2017 6:21 PM, "Matthew Darwin" wrote: > >> How do we want to move this discussion forward? Do we need to set up >> a time to talk on the phone? I am willing to help coordinate logistics. >> >> On 2017-09-17 10:55 AM, Stewart C. Russell wrote: >> >>> On 2017-09-17 10:40 AM, john whelan wrote: >>> They'd like to extend it across Canada so now might be the time to think about the project. >>> That sounds good. Despite some prodding, the Licence Working Group >>> (LWG) >>> hasn't got back to me with any updates on how they want to handle the >>> Toronto or Ontario licences. I first contacted them in March, so if >>> it >>> takes them six months or more to look at the licence, then this >>> import >>> is a multi year (if not multi-decade) project. Remember, LWG has >>> decided >>> that *every* Canadian licence variant needs their sign-off. >>> >>> Denis Carr (open data lead) from Toronto has been on board since the >>> spring, and I hope hasn't forgotten us. >>> >>> Toronto has nice building outlines (embedded in the 3D Massing data >>> set, >>> so we can pull out base elevation and height). We also have address >>> points already in the middle of buildings. >>> >>> It also is of great help that the Esri Community Imagery includes >>> some >>> very nice municipal air photos for verification. >>> >>> Stewart >>> >>> ___ >>> Talk-ca mailing list >>> Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >>> >> >> ___ >> Talk-ca mailing list >> Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >> > > ___ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > > ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >>> >>> ___ >>> Talk-ca mailing list >>> Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >>> >>> >> > > ___ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > > ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Stats Canada building project
No we need to persuade the municipalities to move to the new standard license in the TB kit and I think Stats will have better success that we will in the first instance also Open-Ouvert could probably let us know which municipalities have expressed an interest in the new license. Cheerio John On 27 September 2017 at 18:52, Alan Richardswrote: > It's still a different license for each city, province, or organisation, > and the current opinion is that each different license needs to go through > the same multi-month review to be approved for OSM. > > On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 3:48 PM, john whelan > wrote: > >> T.B. have what they call a Municipal Open Data kit which basically has >> the same license as the city of Ottawa uses plus how to use it. >> >> Cheerio John >> >> On 27 September 2017 at 18:40, Stewart Russell wrote: >> >>> But they can't use OGL-CA v2 cos municipalities aren't federal. And >>> anything but the actual few already approved licences need a multi-month >>> review. >>> >>> Stewart >>> >>> On Sep 27, 2017 18:28, "James" wrote: >>> other then have them change their license from say ogl-ca v1 to ogl-cav2 theres not much we can do from a legal stand point. ogl-ca v1 puts too many restrictions On Sep 27, 2017 6:21 PM, "Matthew Darwin" wrote: > How do we want to move this discussion forward? Do we need to set up > a time to talk on the phone? I am willing to help coordinate logistics. > > On 2017-09-17 10:55 AM, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > >> On 2017-09-17 10:40 AM, john whelan wrote: >> >>> They'd like to extend it across Canada so now might be the time to >>> think >>> about the project. >>> >> That sounds good. Despite some prodding, the Licence Working Group >> (LWG) >> hasn't got back to me with any updates on how they want to handle the >> Toronto or Ontario licences. I first contacted them in March, so if it >> takes them six months or more to look at the licence, then this import >> is a multi year (if not multi-decade) project. Remember, LWG has >> decided >> that *every* Canadian licence variant needs their sign-off. >> >> Denis Carr (open data lead) from Toronto has been on board since the >> spring, and I hope hasn't forgotten us. >> >> Toronto has nice building outlines (embedded in the 3D Massing data >> set, >> so we can pull out base elevation and height). We also have address >> points already in the middle of buildings. >> >> It also is of great help that the Esri Community Imagery includes some >> very nice municipal air photos for verification. >> >> Stewart >> >> ___ >> Talk-ca mailing list >> Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >> > > ___ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >>> ___ >>> Talk-ca mailing list >>> Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >>> >>> >> >> ___ >> Talk-ca mailing list >> Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >> >> > ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Stats Canada building project
It's still a different license for each city, province, or organisation, and the current opinion is that each different license needs to go through the same multi-month review to be approved for OSM. On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 3:48 PM, john whelanwrote: > T.B. have what they call a Municipal Open Data kit which basically has the > same license as the city of Ottawa uses plus how to use it. > > Cheerio John > > On 27 September 2017 at 18:40, Stewart Russell wrote: > >> But they can't use OGL-CA v2 cos municipalities aren't federal. And >> anything but the actual few already approved licences need a multi-month >> review. >> >> Stewart >> >> On Sep 27, 2017 18:28, "James" wrote: >> >>> other then have them change their license from say ogl-ca v1 to ogl-cav2 >>> >>> theres not much we can do from a legal stand point. ogl-ca v1 puts too >>> many restrictions >>> >>> On Sep 27, 2017 6:21 PM, "Matthew Darwin" wrote: >>> How do we want to move this discussion forward? Do we need to set up a time to talk on the phone? I am willing to help coordinate logistics. On 2017-09-17 10:55 AM, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > On 2017-09-17 10:40 AM, john whelan wrote: > >> They'd like to extend it across Canada so now might be the time to >> think >> about the project. >> > That sounds good. Despite some prodding, the Licence Working Group > (LWG) > hasn't got back to me with any updates on how they want to handle the > Toronto or Ontario licences. I first contacted them in March, so if it > takes them six months or more to look at the licence, then this import > is a multi year (if not multi-decade) project. Remember, LWG has > decided > that *every* Canadian licence variant needs their sign-off. > > Denis Carr (open data lead) from Toronto has been on board since the > spring, and I hope hasn't forgotten us. > > Toronto has nice building outlines (embedded in the 3D Massing data > set, > so we can pull out base elevation and height). We also have address > points already in the middle of buildings. > > It also is of great help that the Esri Community Imagery includes some > very nice municipal air photos for verification. > > Stewart > > ___ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >>> >>> ___ >>> Talk-ca mailing list >>> Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >>> >>> >> ___ >> Talk-ca mailing list >> Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >> >> > > ___ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > > ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Stats Canada building project
T.B. have what they call a Municipal Open Data kit which basically has the same license as the city of Ottawa uses plus how to use it. Cheerio John On 27 September 2017 at 18:40, Stewart Russellwrote: > But they can't use OGL-CA v2 cos municipalities aren't federal. And > anything but the actual few already approved licences need a multi-month > review. > > Stewart > > On Sep 27, 2017 18:28, "James" wrote: > >> other then have them change their license from say ogl-ca v1 to ogl-cav2 >> >> theres not much we can do from a legal stand point. ogl-ca v1 puts too >> many restrictions >> >> On Sep 27, 2017 6:21 PM, "Matthew Darwin" wrote: >> >>> How do we want to move this discussion forward? Do we need to set up a >>> time to talk on the phone? I am willing to help coordinate logistics. >>> >>> On 2017-09-17 10:55 AM, Stewart C. Russell wrote: >>> On 2017-09-17 10:40 AM, john whelan wrote: > They'd like to extend it across Canada so now might be the time to > think > about the project. > That sounds good. Despite some prodding, the Licence Working Group (LWG) hasn't got back to me with any updates on how they want to handle the Toronto or Ontario licences. I first contacted them in March, so if it takes them six months or more to look at the licence, then this import is a multi year (if not multi-decade) project. Remember, LWG has decided that *every* Canadian licence variant needs their sign-off. Denis Carr (open data lead) from Toronto has been on board since the spring, and I hope hasn't forgotten us. Toronto has nice building outlines (embedded in the 3D Massing data set, so we can pull out base elevation and height). We also have address points already in the middle of buildings. It also is of great help that the Esri Community Imagery includes some very nice municipal air photos for verification. Stewart ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >>> >>> ___ >>> Talk-ca mailing list >>> Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >>> >> >> ___ >> Talk-ca mailing list >> Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >> >> > ___ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > > ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Stats Canada building project
Stewart i meant a license based on v2. As toronto is based on v1 On Sep 27, 2017 6:40 PM, "Stewart Russell"wrote: > But they can't use OGL-CA v2 cos municipalities aren't federal. And > anything but the actual few already approved licences need a multi-month > review. > > Stewart > > On Sep 27, 2017 18:28, "James" wrote: > >> other then have them change their license from say ogl-ca v1 to ogl-cav2 >> >> theres not much we can do from a legal stand point. ogl-ca v1 puts too >> many restrictions >> >> On Sep 27, 2017 6:21 PM, "Matthew Darwin" wrote: >> >>> How do we want to move this discussion forward? Do we need to set up a >>> time to talk on the phone? I am willing to help coordinate logistics. >>> >>> On 2017-09-17 10:55 AM, Stewart C. Russell wrote: >>> On 2017-09-17 10:40 AM, john whelan wrote: > They'd like to extend it across Canada so now might be the time to > think > about the project. > That sounds good. Despite some prodding, the Licence Working Group (LWG) hasn't got back to me with any updates on how they want to handle the Toronto or Ontario licences. I first contacted them in March, so if it takes them six months or more to look at the licence, then this import is a multi year (if not multi-decade) project. Remember, LWG has decided that *every* Canadian licence variant needs their sign-off. Denis Carr (open data lead) from Toronto has been on board since the spring, and I hope hasn't forgotten us. Toronto has nice building outlines (embedded in the 3D Massing data set, so we can pull out base elevation and height). We also have address points already in the middle of buildings. It also is of great help that the Esri Community Imagery includes some very nice municipal air photos for verification. Stewart ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >>> >>> ___ >>> Talk-ca mailing list >>> Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >>> >> >> ___ >> Talk-ca mailing list >> Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >> >> ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Stats Canada building project
But they can't use OGL-CA v2 cos municipalities aren't federal. And anything but the actual few already approved licences need a multi-month review. Stewart On Sep 27, 2017 18:28, "James"wrote: > other then have them change their license from say ogl-ca v1 to ogl-cav2 > > theres not much we can do from a legal stand point. ogl-ca v1 puts too > many restrictions > > On Sep 27, 2017 6:21 PM, "Matthew Darwin" wrote: > >> How do we want to move this discussion forward? Do we need to set up a >> time to talk on the phone? I am willing to help coordinate logistics. >> >> On 2017-09-17 10:55 AM, Stewart C. Russell wrote: >> >>> On 2017-09-17 10:40 AM, john whelan wrote: >>> They'd like to extend it across Canada so now might be the time to think about the project. >>> That sounds good. Despite some prodding, the Licence Working Group (LWG) >>> hasn't got back to me with any updates on how they want to handle the >>> Toronto or Ontario licences. I first contacted them in March, so if it >>> takes them six months or more to look at the licence, then this import >>> is a multi year (if not multi-decade) project. Remember, LWG has decided >>> that *every* Canadian licence variant needs their sign-off. >>> >>> Denis Carr (open data lead) from Toronto has been on board since the >>> spring, and I hope hasn't forgotten us. >>> >>> Toronto has nice building outlines (embedded in the 3D Massing data set, >>> so we can pull out base elevation and height). We also have address >>> points already in the middle of buildings. >>> >>> It also is of great help that the Esri Community Imagery includes some >>> very nice municipal air photos for verification. >>> >>> Stewart >>> >>> ___ >>> Talk-ca mailing list >>> Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >>> >> >> ___ >> Talk-ca mailing list >> Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >> > > ___ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > > ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Stats Canada building project
>How do we want to move this discussion forward? Do we need to set up a time to talk on the phone? I am willing to help coordinate logistics. I think we need a contact at Stats and since Bjenk has left I'm not sure who is doing what. Alessandro is more management overview than a working contact although I've cced him so he can identify a point person. The first step is make sure the municipal license is in alignment with the TB 2.0 open data license. So question to Kent/Open-Ouvert how is the municipal Open Data package coming along? Thanks John On 27 September 2017 at 18:20, Matthew Darwinwrote: > How do we want to move this discussion forward? Do we need to set up a > time to talk on the phone? I am willing to help coordinate logistics. > > > On 2017-09-17 10:55 AM, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > >> On 2017-09-17 10:40 AM, john whelan wrote: >> >>> They'd like to extend it across Canada so now might be the time to think >>> about the project. >>> >> That sounds good. Despite some prodding, the Licence Working Group (LWG) >> hasn't got back to me with any updates on how they want to handle the >> Toronto or Ontario licences. I first contacted them in March, so if it >> takes them six months or more to look at the licence, then this import >> is a multi year (if not multi-decade) project. Remember, LWG has decided >> that *every* Canadian licence variant needs their sign-off. >> >> Denis Carr (open data lead) from Toronto has been on board since the >> spring, and I hope hasn't forgotten us. >> >> Toronto has nice building outlines (embedded in the 3D Massing data set, >> so we can pull out base elevation and height). We also have address >> points already in the middle of buildings. >> >> It also is of great help that the Esri Community Imagery includes some >> very nice municipal air photos for verification. >> >> Stewart >> >> ___ >> Talk-ca mailing list >> Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >> > > ___ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Stats Canada building project
other then have them change their license from say ogl-ca v1 to ogl-cav2 theres not much we can do from a legal stand point. ogl-ca v1 puts too many restrictions On Sep 27, 2017 6:21 PM, "Matthew Darwin"wrote: > How do we want to move this discussion forward? Do we need to set up a > time to talk on the phone? I am willing to help coordinate logistics. > > On 2017-09-17 10:55 AM, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > >> On 2017-09-17 10:40 AM, john whelan wrote: >> >>> They'd like to extend it across Canada so now might be the time to think >>> about the project. >>> >> That sounds good. Despite some prodding, the Licence Working Group (LWG) >> hasn't got back to me with any updates on how they want to handle the >> Toronto or Ontario licences. I first contacted them in March, so if it >> takes them six months or more to look at the licence, then this import >> is a multi year (if not multi-decade) project. Remember, LWG has decided >> that *every* Canadian licence variant needs their sign-off. >> >> Denis Carr (open data lead) from Toronto has been on board since the >> spring, and I hope hasn't forgotten us. >> >> Toronto has nice building outlines (embedded in the 3D Massing data set, >> so we can pull out base elevation and height). We also have address >> points already in the middle of buildings. >> >> It also is of great help that the Esri Community Imagery includes some >> very nice municipal air photos for verification. >> >> Stewart >> >> ___ >> Talk-ca mailing list >> Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >> > > ___ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Stats Canada building project
How do we want to move this discussion forward? Do we need to set up a time to talk on the phone? I am willing to help coordinate logistics. On 2017-09-17 10:55 AM, Stewart C. Russell wrote: On 2017-09-17 10:40 AM, john whelan wrote: They'd like to extend it across Canada so now might be the time to think about the project. That sounds good. Despite some prodding, the Licence Working Group (LWG) hasn't got back to me with any updates on how they want to handle the Toronto or Ontario licences. I first contacted them in March, so if it takes them six months or more to look at the licence, then this import is a multi year (if not multi-decade) project. Remember, LWG has decided that *every* Canadian licence variant needs their sign-off. Denis Carr (open data lead) from Toronto has been on board since the spring, and I hope hasn't forgotten us. Toronto has nice building outlines (embedded in the 3D Massing data set, so we can pull out base elevation and height). We also have address points already in the middle of buildings. It also is of great help that the Esri Community Imagery includes some very nice municipal air photos for verification. Stewart ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] OSM Canada & State of the Map US: Oct 20-22
Hi, Are any Canadian folks going to State of the Map US October 20-22 https://2017.stateofthemap.us/ During the conference, I would like to have a discussion about turning the informal https://www.osmcanada.ca/ into a not-for-profit Canadian corporation. I'm looking for other folks who think this might be a good idea (or maybe have a contrary opinion) and want to talk about it. Of course comments are accepted here or directly to me (matt...@mdarwin.ca). Thanks! ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca