Re: [Talk-ca] Bus stops in Ottawa

On 2016-03-02 7:14 PM, Stewart C. Russell wrote: On 2016-03-01 06:42 PM, Tristan Anderson wrote: >Let's not be too hasty in removing large amounts of data, … simply >because it may or may not be compatible with a future OSM license. That's not the issue. It's not compatible with the current

Re: [Talk-ca] Bus stops in Ottawa

--- > To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > From: penor...@mac.com > Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2016 08:40:45 +0100 > Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Bus stops in Ottawa > > On 2016-02-29 2:46 AM, john whelan wrote: > > I think with the clause in the uploading terms that OSM can change the > licens

Re: [Talk-ca] Bus stops in Ottawa

to Ottawa. I merged the tags and deleted the more recent stop. To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org From: penor...@mac.com Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2016 08:40:45 +0100 Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Bus stops in Ottawa On 2016-02-29 2:46 AM, john whelan wrote: I think

Re: [Talk-ca] Bus stops in Ottawa

Note to James, I seem to recall Stats Canada addresses which have been imported recently were done through the open data portal Gov Canada. Perhaps Ottawa might like to release the GTFS data through there? Especially since it was given to Google without strings I understand. Cheerio John On 1

Re: [Talk-ca] Bus stops in Ottawa

On 2016-03-01 07:19 AM, john whelan wrote: > > My understanding of the terms and conditions for uploading data is you > have to give permission for OSM to change the license from ODBl. Isn't it more that the OSMF reserves the right to change the licence? Ottawa's share-alike terms are

Re: [Talk-ca] Bus stops in Ottawa

>Data needs to be compatible with our license, which is the ODbL.[1] My understanding of the terms and conditions for uploading data is you have to give permission for OSM to change the license from ODBl. so yes its ODBl. at the moment but maybe something else in the future. Cheerio John On 1

Re: [Talk-ca] Bus stops in Ottawa

On 2016-02-29 2:46 AM, john whelan wrote: I think with the clause in the uploading terms that OSM can change the license its very difficult to import anything as it is difficult to say to City of Ottawa etc we'd like your data but we don't know what license it may have in OSM in the future.

Re: [Talk-ca] Bus stops in Ottawa

On 2016-02-29 01:25 PM, john whelan wrote: > > It maybe possible to work with the city of Ottawa on this one > but one problem they have identified is open data being used but not > updated. I'm surprised they even see their data being used at all, as it's almost impossible to mix it with any

Re: [Talk-ca] Bus stops in Ottawa

One of the tags has a value that is only available from the GTFS file. You still have the problem of multiple bus stops mapped in one location. It maybe possible to work with the city of Ottawa on this one but one problem they have identified is open data being used but not updated. I think

Re: [Talk-ca] Bus stops in Ottawa

That is a significant issue. If the original user *brousseaumat* was the one that made the import and he / she has ... only 8 edits to their name, all within Ontario, then reversing his work may be enough. On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 2:32 PM, James wrote: > There's also the

Re: [Talk-ca] Bus stops in Ottawa

There's also the problem: how do you know that the bus stop was from an import vs user created. On Feb 28, 2016 8:48 PM, "john whelan" wrote: > I think with the clause in the uploading terms that OSM can change the > license its very difficult to import anything as it is

Re: [Talk-ca] Bus stops in Ottawa

I think with the clause in the uploading terms that OSM can change the license its very difficult to import anything as it is difficult to say to City of Ottawa etc we'd like your data but we don't know what license it may have in OSM in the future. Is anyone going to take the responsibility on

Re: [Talk-ca] Bus stops in Ottawa

Hi John, and all — If this is the GTFS data for Ottawa: http://data.ottawa.ca/dataset/oc-transpo-schedules then it's published under the City of Ottawa Open Data - Terms of use: http://ottawa.ca/en/mobile-apps-and-open-data/open-data-terms-use This licence is incompatible with

Re: [Talk-ca] Bus stops in Ottawa

I had also STO had no choice of being added manually as STO wouldnt provide gtfs data, not sure if the license is even compatible for import(for the gtfs data they finally provided after many people have begged for years for) On Feb 28, 2016 4:24 PM, "Adam Martin" wrote:

Re: [Talk-ca] Bus stops in Ottawa

This is often the trouble that long-term mappers might have with hit-and-run mappers, especially with regards to "living" information that is added to the map. Static information, like large buildings in a mature location or major thoroughfares, can be added by these quick mappers and remain

Re: [Talk-ca] Bus stops in Ottawa

Most of the STO bus stations were manually added by myself, not sure if there were any added/changed after the fact On Feb 28, 2016 4:02 PM, "john whelan" wrote: > So it sounds like essentially we are saying the import wasn't discussed at > least as far as what the tags

Re: [Talk-ca] Bus stops in Ottawa

So it sounds like essentially we are saying the import wasn't discussed at least as far as what the tags were to be used, I note that the STO stops on Wellington have a different set of tags. Nor was any thought given to preserving bus shelter information nor to keeping the information up to date

Re: [Talk-ca] Bus stops in Ottawa

On Feb 28, 2016 3:05 PM, "john whelan" wrote: > > It appears in august 2013 user andrewpmk imported the OC transpo bus stops, which is fine I don't have a problem with imports but I understand OC transpo issue a new updated GTFS file every year. Are there plans to reimport

[Talk-ca] Bus stops in Ottawa

It appears in august 2013 user andrewpmk imported the OC transpo bus stops, which is fine I don't have a problem with imports but I understand OC transpo issue a new updated GTFS file every year. Are there plans to reimport all the bus stops or will they simply become unreliable? ie most will be