Re: [Talk-ca] Business Improvement Area tagging
Here in BC they are set by municipal bylaw and renewed every 5 years. Very
much stable enough to map in OSM.
Corey
On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 2:27 PM Bernie Connors
wrote:
> I can confirm the BIA boundaries are modified very infrequently in New
> Brunswick. I am not aware of any changes during the 10 years in my current
> job disseminating GIS data for for the province.
>
> Bernie.
>
> On Wed, Jan 9, 2019, 2:45 PM Matthew Darwin
>> Hi Harald,
>>
>> Thanks for your thoughts on this.
>>
>> From my point of view BIAs are just as (just as not) verifiable on the
>> ground as a municipality boundary. Typically there are gateway signs to
>> welcome you to the area, which makes them more concrete then say a census
>> area. eg
>> https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=45.331875926798006=-75.892906002273=19.36453946996015=RopOOODg6gMzdE5gHeicfA=photo=0.4894869294322967=0.5003=0
>> or
>> https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=45.397102=-75.7423=17=pEs0qv8z4ielD2jmRpJhqw=photo=0.11741761625032077=0.5560308877526301=2.639780018331806
>> so just like a municipality boundary there is some physical info, but of
>> course doesn't tell you the exact boundary area.
>>
>> In my experience BIA boundaries don't change much one they are
>> created but of course I am not familiar of what happens outside of
>> Ontario certainly I wouldn't expect them to change more than the
>> boundaries we already have in OSM for municipalities and the wards within
>> them which seem to change change every decade or so in a growing/changing
>> municipality.
>>
>>
>> On 2019-01-09 12:34 p.m., Harald Kliems wrote:
>>
>> To me this is a clear case of something that doesn't belong in OSM. It
>> sounds like the boundaries aren't verifiable on the ground and may change
>> frequently. Therefore any data in OSM would go stale quickly and the only
>> verification of accuracy would be to go back to the source.
>> Yes, we have deviations from the "verifiable on the ground" rule, but
>> we've had similar discussions for census boundaries, ridings/election
>> districts, and on the the talk-us list recently about Bureau of Land
>> Management boundaries.
>>
>> For your analysis of businesses within a BIA, you can just download the
>> OSM and BIA boundary data separately and do the analysis in the GIS
>> application of your choice.
>>
>> Harald.
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 6:32 PM Matthew Darwin wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> I'm not sure if this applies to other provinces or not, so I thought I
>>> would ask here.
>>>
>>> In Ontario there is a concept of "Business Improvement Area" ("BIA" for
>>> short) that has the power to tax businesses within their zone (see
>>> http://www.mah.gov.on.ca/Page1529.aspx for details).
>>>
>>> I want to tag these in OSM, so then you can run a query to find all
>>> businesses within a BIA. Sometimes the boundaries of the BIA are very tight
>>> and just cover things that are actual businesses, and sometimes the
>>> boundaries of a BIA are very loose and cover lots of area including
>>> residential... and when a new business comes up later in that area it
>>> automatically is a part of the BIA.
>>>
>>> I am thinking that the *relation type=boundary,
>>> boundary=local_authority *might be applicable here, and define either a
>>> Canada specific definition maybe just Ontario, depending if the concept
>>> exists elsewhere.
>>>
>>> I would like to get people's opinion on this idea Or please suggest
>>> something else.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Aboundary%3Dlocal_authority
>>>
>>>- type =boundary
>>>
>>>- boundary =
>>>local_authority
>>>- name =*
>>>- local_authority:CA
>>>
>>>
>>>=BIA
>>>
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Re: [Talk-ca] Business Improvement Area tagging
I can confirm the BIA boundaries are modified very infrequently in New
Brunswick. I am not aware of any changes during the 10 years in my current
job disseminating GIS data for for the province.
Bernie.
On Wed, Jan 9, 2019, 2:45 PM Matthew Darwin Hi Harald,
>
> Thanks for your thoughts on this.
>
> From my point of view BIAs are just as (just as not) verifiable on the
> ground as a municipality boundary. Typically there are gateway signs to
> welcome you to the area, which makes them more concrete then say a census
> area. eg
> https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=45.331875926798006=-75.892906002273=19.36453946996015=RopOOODg6gMzdE5gHeicfA=photo=0.4894869294322967=0.5003=0
> or
> https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=45.397102=-75.7423=17=pEs0qv8z4ielD2jmRpJhqw=photo=0.11741761625032077=0.5560308877526301=2.639780018331806
> so just like a municipality boundary there is some physical info, but of
> course doesn't tell you the exact boundary area.
>
> In my experience BIA boundaries don't change much one they are created
> but of course I am not familiar of what happens outside of Ontario
> certainly I wouldn't expect them to change more than the boundaries we
> already have in OSM for municipalities and the wards within them which seem
> to change change every decade or so in a growing/changing municipality.
>
>
> On 2019-01-09 12:34 p.m., Harald Kliems wrote:
>
> To me this is a clear case of something that doesn't belong in OSM. It
> sounds like the boundaries aren't verifiable on the ground and may change
> frequently. Therefore any data in OSM would go stale quickly and the only
> verification of accuracy would be to go back to the source.
> Yes, we have deviations from the "verifiable on the ground" rule, but
> we've had similar discussions for census boundaries, ridings/election
> districts, and on the the talk-us list recently about Bureau of Land
> Management boundaries.
>
> For your analysis of businesses within a BIA, you can just download the
> OSM and BIA boundary data separately and do the analysis in the GIS
> application of your choice.
>
> Harald.
>
> On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 6:32 PM Matthew Darwin wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I'm not sure if this applies to other provinces or not, so I thought I
>> would ask here.
>>
>> In Ontario there is a concept of "Business Improvement Area" ("BIA" for
>> short) that has the power to tax businesses within their zone (see
>> http://www.mah.gov.on.ca/Page1529.aspx for details).
>>
>> I want to tag these in OSM, so then you can run a query to find all
>> businesses within a BIA. Sometimes the boundaries of the BIA are very tight
>> and just cover things that are actual businesses, and sometimes the
>> boundaries of a BIA are very loose and cover lots of area including
>> residential... and when a new business comes up later in that area it
>> automatically is a part of the BIA.
>>
>> I am thinking that the *relation type=boundary, boundary=local_authority
>> *might be applicable here, and define either a Canada specific
>> definition maybe just Ontario, depending if the concept exists elsewhere.
>>
>> I would like to get people's opinion on this idea Or please suggest
>> something else.
>>
>>
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Aboundary%3Dlocal_authority
>>
>>- type =boundary
>>
>>- boundary =
>>local_authority
>>- name =*
>>- local_authority:CA
>>
>>
>>=BIA
>>
>>
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Re: [Talk-ca] Business Improvement Area tagging
To me this is a clear case of something that doesn't belong in OSM. It
sounds like the boundaries aren't verifiable on the ground and may change
frequently. Therefore any data in OSM would go stale quickly and the only
verification of accuracy would be to go back to the source.
Yes, we have deviations from the "verifiable on the ground" rule, but we've
had similar discussions for census boundaries, ridings/election districts,
and on the the talk-us list recently about Bureau of Land Management
boundaries.
For your analysis of businesses within a BIA, you can just download the OSM
and BIA boundary data separately and do the analysis in the GIS application
of your choice.
Harald.
On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 6:32 PM Matthew Darwin wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I'm not sure if this applies to other provinces or not, so I thought I
> would ask here.
>
> In Ontario there is a concept of "Business Improvement Area" ("BIA" for
> short) that has the power to tax businesses within their zone (see
> http://www.mah.gov.on.ca/Page1529.aspx for details).
>
> I want to tag these in OSM, so then you can run a query to find all
> businesses within a BIA. Sometimes the boundaries of the BIA are very tight
> and just cover things that are actual businesses, and sometimes the
> boundaries of a BIA are very loose and cover lots of area including
> residential... and when a new business comes up later in that area it
> automatically is a part of the BIA.
>
> I am thinking that the *relation type=boundary, boundary=local_authority
> *might
> be applicable here, and define either a Canada specific definition maybe
> just Ontario, depending if the concept exists elsewhere.
>
> I would like to get people's opinion on this idea Or please suggest
> something else.
>
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Aboundary%3Dlocal_authority
>
>- type =boundary
>
>- boundary =
>local_authority
>- name =*
>- local_authority:CA
>
>
>=BIA
>
>
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Re: [Talk-ca] Business Improvement Area tagging
Matthew,
Here in NB we also have the very same concept of Business Improvement
Areas (BIA). The BIA boundaries can be downloaded from the GeoNB Data
Catalogue.
Bernie.
On Mon, Jan 7, 2019, 8:32 PM Matthew Darwin Hello all,
>
> I'm not sure if this applies to other provinces or not, so I thought I
> would ask here.
>
> In Ontario there is a concept of "Business Improvement Area" ("BIA" for
> short) that has the power to tax businesses within their zone (see
> http://www.mah.gov.on.ca/Page1529.aspx for details).
>
> I want to tag these in OSM, so then you can run a query to find all
> businesses within a BIA. Sometimes the boundaries of the BIA are very tight
> and just cover things that are actual businesses, and sometimes the
> boundaries of a BIA are very loose and cover lots of area including
> residential... and when a new business comes up later in that area it
> automatically is a part of the BIA.
>
> I am thinking that the *relation type=boundary, boundary=local_authority
> *might
> be applicable here, and define either a Canada specific definition maybe
> just Ontario, depending if the concept exists elsewhere.
>
> I would like to get people's opinion on this idea Or please suggest
> something else.
>
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Aboundary%3Dlocal_authority
>
>- type =boundary
>
>- boundary =
>local_authority
>- name =*
>- local_authority:CA
>
>
>=BIA
>
>
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[Talk-ca] Business Improvement Area tagging
Hello all,
I'm not sure if this applies to other provinces or not, so I thought I
would ask here.
In Ontario there is a concept of "Business Improvement Area" ("BIA"
for short) that has the power to tax businesses within their zone
(see http://www.mah.gov.on.ca/Page1529.aspx for details).
I want to tag these in OSM, so then you can run a query to find all
businesses within a BIA. Sometimes the boundaries of the BIA are very
tight and just cover things that are actual businesses, and sometimes
the boundaries of a BIA are very loose and cover lots of area
including residential... and when a new business comes up later in
that area it automatically is a part of the BIA.
I am thinking that the *relation type=boundary,
boundary=local_authority *might be applicable here, and define either
a Canada specific definition maybe just Ontario, depending if the
concept exists elsewhere.
I would like to get people's opinion on this idea Or please
suggest something else.
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Aboundary%3Dlocal_authority
* type =boundary
* boundary
=local_authority
* name =*
* local_authority:CA
=BIA
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