The West Mids folks have been busy over the last few days adding all the
Birmingham gritting routes to OSM. We'll be adding the other areas of the
west mids as we get them as well as the location of all the grit bins.
You can see the completed mapping for Birmingham on the mappa-mercia website
her
Just to add to Andy's post: priority 3 routes are generally bus routes;
going back over roads already surveyed in this exercise, armed with the data
from Naptan cleared up a lot of no-name roads as well; we even organised an
impromptu tutorial and editing session where two new mappers got going.
R
Richard your views on the rasters seem a little bizarre, harking back to a
golden era where cartography was respected by the good folk of the land and had
pride of place... etc.
Basically you're shamelessly protecting your own pretty small industry from
competition with a lot of waffle about OS
On Jan 14, 2010, at 9:55 AM, Andy Allan wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Dave F. wrote:
>
>> "Though custom cartography is the right answer for many applications, it
>> will find it difficult to compete with the free, universally-recognised
>> cartography of the OS."
>>
>> Are you sayin
On Jan 14, 2010, at 11:40 AM, David Earl wrote:
> On 14/01/2010 18:27, Dave F. wrote:
>> Andy, The taxpayers have already paid for it, many times over. I resent
>> having to pay £7.50 for a map I've already financed to construct.
>> As I've paid for it, I think it should be given to me free of ch
SteveC wrote:
> Basically you're shamelessly protecting your own pretty small industry
What, magazine publishing? :p
Looking forward to your, and others', response to DCLG.
cheers
Richard
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On Jan 18, 2010, at 9:38 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
> SteveC wrote:
>
>> Basically you're shamelessly protecting your own pretty small industry
>
> What, magazine publishing? :p
No, carto
> Looking forward to your, and others', response to DCLG.
Yeah, it's very cool you've put it together
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 4:21 PM, SteveC wrote:
> I think you have the wrong vision that you'll be competing with free maps,
> just the same as the big guys are terrified of competing with a free OSM. The
> value just moves to more interesting things up the stack.
Except you can't. This isn't t
On Jan 18, 2010, at 10:28 AM, Andy Allan wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 4:21 PM, SteveC wrote:
>
>> I think you have the wrong vision that you'll be competing with free maps,
>> just the same as the big guys are terrified of competing with a free OSM.
>> The value just moves to more interes
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 5:33 PM, SteveC wrote:
> Richard's a socialist so I can see him arguing for weird government
> monopolies on making pinball machines for one-legged immigrants living in
> wales or whatever, but what are you arguing this for? What product will be
> nuked by OS releasing
On Jan 18, 2010, at 10:38 AM, Andy Allan wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 5:33 PM, SteveC wrote:
>
>> Richard's a socialist so I can see him arguing for weird government
>> monopolies on making pinball machines for one-legged immigrants living in
>> wales or whatever, but what are you arguing
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 5:41 PM, SteveC wrote:
> Oh don't be so sensitive, Richard and I go back and forth on this all the
> time. I can understand why he argues for strange monopolies given his
> politcal ideals. Is that better?
It's a bit of a recurring theme on these lists though - when the
Wading in (though for the purposes of a putative OSMF response, we can just
leave this whole argument to one side and focus on the data)...
2010/1/18 Andy Allan
> I didn't say I wanted a monopoly. I'd rather either
> a) the government (i.e. the OS now, and doubly so if they stop trying
> to cove
On Jan 18, 2010, at 11:08 AM, Andy Allan wrote:
> This isn't me saying that I disapprove of a commercial company giving
> away a whole load of raster maps for free, I'm saying I don't think
> the government should be funding it.
Okay so you feel rasters are a special case, different to vectors.
On Jan 18, 2010, at 11:19 AM, Tom Chance wrote:
> Wading in (though for the purposes of a putative OSMF response, we can just
> leave this whole argument to one side and focus on the data)...
>
> 2010/1/18 Andy Allan
> I didn't say I wanted a monopoly. I'd rather either
> a) the government (i.
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 6:20 PM, SteveC wrote:
>
> On Jan 18, 2010, at 11:08 AM, Andy Allan wrote:
>> This isn't me saying that I disapprove of a commercial company giving
>> away a whole load of raster maps for free, I'm saying I don't think
>> the government should be funding it.
>
> Okay so you
On Jan 18, 2010, at 11:27 AM, Andy Allan wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 6:20 PM, SteveC wrote:
>>
>> On Jan 18, 2010, at 11:08 AM, Andy Allan wrote:
>>> This isn't me saying that I disapprove of a commercial company giving
>>> away a whole load of raster maps for free, I'm saying I don't thin
2010/1/18 SteveC
> But given the choice between
>
> a) giving away the rasters and OS losing 9 million quid a year, or
>
> b) selling them as they do now
>
> surely (a) is better because it frees up the maps, provides a better
> platform for innovation and weakens the OS?
Of course, there's al
Andy Allan wrote:
> I take your point on the "least worst" thing, but Page 11 of the
> consultation shows, for both Option 2 and Option 3 (Option 1 being
> "as-is") that the funding would increase to compensate.
> "Significant funding from government would be required."
> "Government would provide
SteveC wrote:
> On Jan 14, 2010, at 11:40 AM, David Earl wrote:
>
>
>> On 14/01/2010 18:27, Dave F. wrote:
>>
>>> Andy, The taxpayers have already paid for it, many times over. I resent
>>> having to pay £7.50 for a map I've already financed to construct.
>>> As I've paid for it, I think it
On 18 Jan 2010, at 19:40, Dave F. wrote:
> I don't see why the OS can expect to make a commercial enterprise out of
> something hey don't own. The profit it's now making should effectively be on
> our behalf.
Er... It is..
As a executive agency of the government any 'profit' gets fed back i
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