Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] [Talk-GB] Separation of sources

2010-04-06 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Martin - CycleStreets wrote: I agree in an ideal world, ground-surveys done from first principles will be preferable. But the fact is that there remain areas of the country that routing. Wolverhampton and Newcastle for instance are places which we certainly would love to see become usable for

[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Cyclestreets request

2010-04-06 Thread Andrew Mackenzie
On twitter the excellent Cyclestreets ask: @mappamercia Nice site by the way! Any chance of adding http://birmingham.cyclestreets.net/ to your 'Use the map'; page? Seems a good idea. Can we? BTW they are using Code-Point Open. Blog

Re: [Talk-GB] Separation of sources

2010-04-06 Thread Simon Ward
On Tue, Apr 06, 2010 at 01:35:42AM +0100, Martin - CycleStreets wrote: I'm not sure I quite understand the objection to tracing over other data that OSM can legally and ethically use (though can appreciate David Earl's point of view). There is no objection to tracing over other data, but an

Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey

2010-04-06 Thread Henry Gomersall
On Mon, 2010-04-05 at 17:25 +0100, Jonathan Bennett wrote: If someone who is completely new to OSM sees the streets in their area complete, they may assume the map is complete and there's nothing for them to do. As a lurker, and someone that would be keen to contribute, can I suggest

Re: [Talk-GB] Separation of sources

2010-04-06 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Martin - CycleStreets wrote: I agree in an ideal world, ground-surveys done from first principles will be preferable. But the fact is that there remain areas of the country that routing. Wolverhampton and Newcastle for instance are places which we certainly would love to see become usable for

Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey

2010-04-06 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 8:17 PM, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) ajrli...@googlemail.com wrote: I'm in line with this view too. We cannot assume that the OS mapping is correct, it may or may not be current or accurate, so it's useful as a guide in the absence of any other verification source.

[Talk-GB] building shapes from OS Street View

2010-04-06 Thread TimSC
Hi again, Thanks for the feedback on building traces. The consensus seems to be for a JOSM plugin while others saying all surveying should be done on the ground. Surveys are only practical where there is permissive or public access to buildings, but the majority of buildings are inaccessible

Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey

2010-04-06 Thread David Ellams
Hi Henry As a lurker, and someone that would be keen to contribute, can I suggest somewhere where effort would be useful - A simple mechanism to attach attributes to streets. Perhaps a web interface with those incomplete streets highlighted. This would be low hanging fruit to a local, with a

Re: [Talk-GB] building shapes from OS Street View

2010-04-06 Thread Russ Phillips
On 6 April 2010 12:46, TimSC mapp...@sheerman-chase.org.uk wrote: Hi again, Thanks for the feedback on building traces. The consensus seems to be for a JOSM plugin while others saying all surveying should be done on the ground. Personally, I'd be happy to see a JOSM plugin similar to the

Re: [Talk-GB] building shapes from OS Street View

2010-04-06 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 12:46 PM, TimSC mapp...@sheerman-chase.org.uk wrote: In response to the comment no imports ever, I would point out that building imports is a completely different situation than that of public roads. A glance at OS Street View suggests that about 99% of buildings are

Re: [Talk-GB] building shapes from OS Street View

2010-04-06 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 1:22 PM, Robert Scott li...@humanleg.org.uk wrote: I'd say about 95% of buildings are rectangles. About 99% of buildings are purely orthogonal lines. We need to be careful about extracting shapes from products that are known to be downsampled. A quick look at Street

Re: [Talk-GB] tracing lakes with Potlatch

2010-04-06 Thread Henry Gomersall
On Tue, 2010-04-06 at 17:26 +0100, Jason Cunningham wrote: The detail for water is excellent and may be the most 'detailed' vector data OS is going to provide. It's far better than the OSM community could achieve with GPSr's and aerial image tracing. Do you know how OS do the water detail?

Re: [Talk-GB] tracing lakes with Potlatch

2010-04-06 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Henry Gomersall wrote: Sent: 06 April 2010 5:39 PM To: Jason Cunningham Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] tracing lakes with Potlatch On Tue, 2010-04-06 at 17:26 +0100, Jason Cunningham wrote: The detail for water is excellent and may be the most 'detailed' vector data OS is

Re: [Talk-GB] tracing lakes with Potlatch

2010-04-06 Thread David Earl
On 06/04/2010 17:51, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: A lot of stuff nowadays is done from aerial imagery, but they can still drop back to traditional surveying methods if required. It was a strange coincidence that I met an OS surveyor, theodolite in hand, doing just that when I was

Re: [Talk-GB] building shapes from OS Street View

2010-04-06 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 5:26 PM, TimSC mapp...@sheerman-chase.org.uk wrote: Andy Allan wrote: On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 12:46 PM, TimSC mapp...@sheerman-chase.org.uk wrote: If we use only manual surveying, we can only achieve coverage of about 1%. I don't think that is satisfactory. Imports are

[Talk-GB] Learning from Tiger for OS - tools motivations

2010-04-06 Thread Tom Chance
Hello all, It seems there is a consensus on what we do with the OS data: - not bulk importing - careful mix of tracing and perhaps some targeted direct imports, ideally using local knowledge and on-the-ground surveys To achieve that careful mix we need to be clear about areas that are

Re: [Talk-GB] building shapes from OS Street View

2010-04-06 Thread Henry Gomersall
On Tue, 2010-04-06 at 18:07 +0100, Dave Stubbs wrote: Basically: please don't break the map :-) perhaps a stupid question... Is there no version control? I couldn't find anything on the wiki about it. ___ Talk-GB mailing list

Re: [Talk-GB] building shapes from OS Street View

2010-04-06 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 6:14 PM, Henry Gomersall h...@cantab.net wrote: On Tue, 2010-04-06 at 18:07 +0100, Dave Stubbs wrote: Basically: please don't break the map :-) perhaps a stupid question... Is there no version control? I couldn't find anything on the wiki about it. Sure. But if you

Re: [Talk-GB] tracing lakes with Potlatch

2010-04-06 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Henry Gomersall h...@cantab.net wrote: I've been keen for a while to improve the lake and tarns outlines in the lake district. It seems the current data is a little coarse and could be improved. Awesome. Having top-notch maps in popular outdoor areas is one of

Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey

2010-04-06 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM Talk GB)
On 1 April 2010 09:41, Tom Chance t...@acrewoods.net wrote: It's up and available: http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/opendata/licence/docs/licence.pdf The main wrinkle seems to be this part on their requirement for attribution: include the same acknowledgement requirement in any

Re: [Talk-GB] tracing lakes with Potlatch

2010-04-06 Thread Phil James
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2010 13:37:58 +0100 From: Henry Gomersall h...@cantab.net Subject: [Talk-GB] tracing lakes with Potlatch To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Message-ID: 1270557478.9949.39.ca...@whg21-laptop Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Dear All, I've been keen for a while to

Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey

2010-04-06 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 15:28, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: On 05/04/10 15:43, Tim François wrote: I understand that with an area mapped there is less impetus to head on over and start making tracks and surveying. But just leaving the area blank when we have this fantastic opportunity to