Re: [Talk-GB] UK Project of the week - trace a village off of OSSV?

2010-06-07 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Frederik Ramm wrote: > Even if that were the case as you say, OSM users under ODbL would still > be granted permission to extract a non-substantial amount of data and > use that without attribution. Does the OS's attribution requirement also > make an exemption for non-substantial amounts, or do we

Re: [Talk-GB] UK Project of the week - trace a village off of OSSV?

2010-06-07 Thread Frederik Ramm
Richard, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Secondly, some people (e.g. Frederik) have raised a concern that it > might be possible to create Produced Works without the attribution that > Ordnance Survey requires, by licensing the Produced Work as public > domain - which would not require recipients of

Re: [Talk-GB] UK Project of the week - trace a village off of OSSV?

2010-06-07 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Peter Miller wrote: > I note that the OS data is CCBY not CCBYSA which may be relevant to > the issue, I don't know. I have also noted that the government > clearly wants the data to be used and is unlikely to sue, however the > Foundation have stated that they will remove all data that is > derive

Re: [Talk-GB] UK Project of the week - trace a village off of OSSV?

2010-06-07 Thread Peter Miller
On 7 Jun 2010, at 14:12, David Ellams wrote: On Sun, 06 Jun 2010 22:05:22 +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: Before anyone starts massively using OS data for anything else than a comparison, I strongly suggest to get a very clear view of this, either by having the OS say "yes ok" or at least

Re: [Talk-GB] [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Mappa-Mercia social - July 1st - Bedworth

2010-06-07 Thread Peter Millar
The pub and train details for Thursday 1st July are now on the wiki. Does anyone want to meet-up and do some mapping next Saturday (12th June) somewhere around the Midlands? -- Peter Millar - "Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists

Re: [Talk-GB] UK Project of the week - trace a village off of OSSV?

2010-06-07 Thread David Ellams
On Sun, 06 Jun 2010 22:05:22 +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Before anyone starts massively using OS data for anything else than a > comparison, I strongly suggest to get a very clear view of this, either > by having the OS say "yes ok" or at least getting a statement from our > own licensing

[Talk-GB] Map layer with OS Locator comparison from ITO

2010-06-07 Thread Peter Miller
On 7 Jun 2010, at 11:11, Tim Francois wrote: > In answer to myself, the reason they are missed out in the ITO layer > is > obvious: within the OSL bounding boxes the ITO script finds ways named > Cleeve Green, Cameley Green etc in OSM, but these ways are actually > named footpaths - the unnamed

Re: [Talk-GB] UK Project of the week - trace a village off of OSSV?

2010-06-07 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM)
On 7 June 2010 13:08, Ed Avis wrote: > Frederik Ramm writes: > >>Is anybody sure that the OS's attribution requirements are adequately >>addressed by current practice, and when moving to ODbL later? >> >>Under ODbL it will be possible to use non-substantial amounts of data >>from OSM without any

Re: [Talk-GB] UK Project of the week - trace a village off of OSSV?

2010-06-07 Thread Frederik Ramm
Peter, Peter Miller wrote: > Fear is an amazing thing. Two Prime Minister's have provided their > total support to opening up this data (and much more). "Opening up" is not a legal term, and can mean anything. I have even heard people speaking of "opening up" data when they meant to release i

[Talk-GB] Map layer with OS Locator comparison from ITO

2010-06-07 Thread Tim Francois
In answer to myself, the reason they are missed out in the ITO layer is obvious: within the OSL bounding boxes the ITO script finds ways named Cleeve Green, Cameley Green etc in OSM, but these ways are actually named footpaths - the unnamed roads next door are ignored. oslVosm finds these discrepa

Re: [Talk-GB] UK Project of the week - trace a village off of OSSV?

2010-06-07 Thread Peter Miller
On 7 Jun 2010, at 13:08, Ed Avis wrote: > Frederik Ramm writes: > >> Is anybody sure that the OS's attribution requirements are adequately >> addressed by current practice, and when moving to ODbL later? >> >> Under ODbL it will be possible to use non-substantial amounts of data >> from OSM with

Re: [Talk-GB] UK Project of the week - trace a village off of OSSV?

2010-06-07 Thread Ed Avis
Jerry Clough - OSM writes: >I like the idea for a project of the week using OS OpenData StreetView, but >would suggest that before we  add lots of new roads we work hard to get roads >which are already in OSM properly named. >Unfortunately the noname map layer on the website has not been updated

Re: [Talk-GB] UK Project of the week - trace a village off of OSSV?

2010-06-07 Thread Ed Avis
Frederik Ramm writes: >Is anybody sure that the OS's attribution requirements are adequately >addressed by current practice, and when moving to ODbL later? > >Under ODbL it will be possible to use non-substantial amounts of data >from OSM without any attribution (this is not disputed), and furt

Re: [Talk-GB] UK Project of the week - trace a village off of OSSV?, (Kai Krueger)

2010-06-07 Thread Peter Miller
On 6 Jun 2010, at 22:31, Matt Amos wrote: > +1... or -1 as well? not sure how the arithmetic of these is supposed > to work. anyway, i agree with phil. > > cheers, > > matt > > On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 10:13 PM, Phil James > wrote: >> At risk of being a fly in the ointment, judging by the largel