Re: [Talk-GB] City names translation

2014-08-11 Thread Pavlo Dudka
2014-08-11 1:31 GMT+03:00 SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk: Taking for example Nottingham: http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/24913081 What is the source of this data? Common knowledge. How can someone who's local to Nottingham actually verify that the name that you've added is

Re: [Talk-GB] City names translation

2014-08-06 Thread Pavlo Dudka
Wikipedia Multilingual Map is available on http://mlm.jochentopf.com/ It works really good. 2014-08-06 10:54 GMT+03:00 David Woolley for...@david-woolley.me.uk: Unfortunately, the only realisation of this concept that I have found (not necessarily part of that project) is in an update

Re: [Talk-GB] City names translation

2014-08-06 Thread Pavlo Dudka
Lester, I don't agree that ukrainian or other-language place names is secondary information. We should not extract this information to external data source. Why don't you say Let's remove population-tag. Values are changing, let's integrate OSM with some service like

Re: [Talk-GB] City names translation

2014-08-06 Thread Pavlo Dudka
Lester, you are right. I miss understood you previous message. Do you want OSM data model to be changed? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:RailsPortModels.png It has very valuable feature: it is flexible for data of absolutely any kind. Extracting names to separate table will make it less

Re: [Talk-GB] City names translation

2014-08-05 Thread Pavlo Dudka
Not, it is not a job for external services. It is much better to use single service(OSM) rather than multiple(OSM+Wikidata). OpenStreetMap supports multiple names - let's use it. If you don't like someone use some tags - just ignore those tags. 2014-08-04 20:24 GMT+03:00 Andy Mabbett

Re: [Talk-GB] City names translation

2014-08-05 Thread Pavlo Dudka
Andy, I agree that Berlin doesn't need hundreds of name:**, but not because they are similar. Just because 80% will never be used. name:** should be entered by native speakers, not imported by Kolossos. Bury St Edmunds needs [name:uk=Бері-Сент-Едмендс]. Just assume Ukrainian person reading

Re: [Talk-GB] City names translation

2014-08-05 Thread Pavlo Dudka
It seems that the only place not allowed for adding name:** is UK. That's why I started this discussion here. Should we discuss it internationaly? 2014-08-05 2:37 GMT+03:00 Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk: On 05/08/14 00:11, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Andrew Hain wrote: It was only put in

Re: [Talk-GB] City names translation

2014-08-05 Thread Pavlo Dudka
for them. 2014-08-04 21:25 GMT+03:00 SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk: On 04/08/2014 16:15, Pavlo Dudka wrote: Hi! I would like to add ukrainian names for cities of UK, but found that SomeoneElse_Revert removed some of name:uk-tags in changeset 20757217 with a comment reverting

Re: [Talk-GB] City names translation

2014-08-05 Thread Pavlo Dudka
10:29 GMT+03:00 Paul Norman penor...@mac.com: On 8/5/2014 12:06 AM, Pavlo Dudka wrote: It seems that the only place not allowed for adding name:** is UK. That's why I started this discussion here. Should we discuss it internationaly? There is a general understanding that name:xx

Re: [Talk-GB] City names translation

2014-08-05 Thread Pavlo Dudka
I assert that it is much better to use a single service, because it is easier to add 100 osm-tags than implement communication with external data sources. Nominatim use osm-data, it should not(and I hope will never) use any other data from Wikidata or other projects. Mapnik allows to process .osm

Re: [Talk-GB] City names translation

2014-08-05 Thread Pavlo Dudka
Why do you call it poor transliteration? Actually Бері-Сент-Едмендс is the result of transcription(ˈbɛrɪ sənt ˈɛdməndz) conversion, additionally united by hyphens according to general city spelling. This city name *is used* in ukrainian texts in wikipedia, airline tickets web-sites, as tourist

[Talk-GB] City names translation

2014-08-04 Thread Pavlo Dudka
Hi! I would like to add ukrainian names for cities of UK, but found that SomeoneElse_Revert removed some of name:uk-tags in changeset 20757217 with a comment reverting undiscussed Ukrainian translations including ones for which there's nothing on the ground. This is the list of cities I plan to