Re: [Talk-GB] New mapper has imported all Nottingham street lights

2014-07-30 Thread Brian Prangle
The source is opendata from Nottingham and the data refers to a physical entity- so why revert it except to enforce a point of etiquett? The criterion of usefulness is not valid. I thought the whole point of entering data is that someone somewhere will find a use for it - you might not see its

Re: [Talk-GB] New mapper has imported all Nottingham street lights

2014-07-30 Thread tony wroblewski
Actually, this type of import would have been very useful for my own project which uses OSM data for 3D maps. I was a little miffed to see it was simply reverted with no discussion. Good detailed data such as this is lacking very much in the UK, and we're very far behind other countries such as

Re: [Talk-GB] New mapper has imported all Nottingham street lights

2014-07-30 Thread Lester Caine
On 30/07/14 18:37, tony wroblewski wrote: Actually, this type of import would have been very useful for my own project which uses OSM data for 3D maps. I was a little miffed to see it was simply reverted with no discussion. Good detailed data such as this is lacking very much in the UK, and

Re: [Talk-GB] New mapper has imported all Nottingham street lights

2014-07-30 Thread SK53
The main reason why this data set is not useful is that the PFI contractor running Nottingham Streetlights is about 40% through a programme to replace them all. Broadly speaking I'm against imports if not thought through and not done without some consultation with local mappers. I am, however,

Re: [Talk-GB] New mapper has imported all Nottingham street lights

2014-07-30 Thread SomeoneElse
On 29/07/2014 23:03, Dave F. wrote: ... Is the data valid? Is it an accurate import? Would he have flagged it up if the user had added them manually one at a time? If the answers are Yes/Yes/No, then is there a genuine problem? I suspect the answers are currently FSVO valid (inasmuch it's

Re: [Talk-GB] New mapper has imported all Nottingham street lights

2014-07-30 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, +1 to all points in this message, especially On 07/30/2014 09:33 PM, SomeoneElse wrote: if you're uploading 1776 pages of data to a shared database that refers to a remote town in another country, to actually talk to people locally first The second is that this is open data. There's

Re: [Talk-GB] New mapper has imported all Nottingham street lights

2014-07-30 Thread Rob Nickerson
What happens if new contributors work out how to use the mapping tools but don't come across the import guidelines (or for that matter the community, mailing lists, etc)? I've just used JOSM to open a shapefile and attempt to upload it (I obviously didn't upload it). JOSM gave a warning message:

[Talk-GB] New mapper has imported all Nottingham street lights

2014-07-29 Thread SK53
Don't need to say much more, other than it's an undiscussed import and if we'd thought it would be useful could have done it anytime in the past 18 months. Changeset is : https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/24412110 Will plan to revert in 1 days time if no further action by the mapper.

Re: [Talk-GB] New mapper has imported all Nottingham street lights

2014-07-29 Thread Richard Symonds
I know this may be a silly question, but why revert if it adds to the map? It runs the risk of alienating a new contributor... I'm not au fait with community rules and would appreciate someone teaching me why we do this :-) Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company

Re: [Talk-GB] New mapper has imported all Nottingham street lights

2014-07-29 Thread Dave F.
When I started editing OSM I was told if it's physical you can map it. Personally I wouldn't add such data a I'd rather spend my time adding what I consider to be more useful data.Is the data valid? Is it an accurate import? Would he have flagged it up if the user had added them manually one

Re: [Talk-GB] New mapper has imported all Nottingham street lights

2014-07-29 Thread Paul Norman
On 7/29/2014 1:51 PM, SK53 wrote: Don't need to say much more, other than it's an undiscussed import and if we'd thought it would be useful could have done it anytime in the past 18 months. Changeset is : https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/24412110 Will plan to revert in 1 days time if

Re: [Talk-GB] New mapper has imported all Nottingham street lights

2014-07-29 Thread Rob Nickerson
If the answers are Yes/Yes/No, then is there a genuine problem? Like you, I personally wouldn't have imported this. My main rule is about maintainability. I'm yet to find a good tool for comparing the original import (be that from the original file or from OSM) to a new version provided by the