Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey Public Sector Mapping Agreement

On 24/03/2011 17:13, Kevin Peat wrote: On 24 March 2011 16:56, Ed Avis > wrote: You could use something like designation=public_footpath highway=no note=Although a right of way, there is no path on the ground. Would work I guess. The only p

Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey Public Sector Mapping Agreement

Aside from the obvious that the PRoWs came before the CRoW act, the rights are slightly different. PRoWs can't be closed very easily, they're highways and therefore can't be restricted (by locked gates, etc), and obviously bridleways allow you to ride a horse or bicycle on them. Open access l

Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey Public Sector Mapping Agreement

On 24 March 2011 16:56, Ed Avis wrote: > > You could use something like > >designation=public_footpath >highway=no >note=Although a right of way, there is no path on the ground. > > Would work I guess. The only problem is that if there is no path on the ground the only way you can eas

[Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey Public Sector Mapping Agreement

Hi again, I found the response from Surrey Council Council to my FOI. They seem to take a stricter view than other people have experienced from other government bodies. If we can get a few examples of this apparent contradiction in legal interpretation and perhaps OS to officially state thei

Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey Public Sector Mapping Agreement

Kevin Peat writes: >It's common to see a PRoW on a map that follows a perfectly straight line >across >moorland. > >Dartmoor has some of these rights of way without any actual path on the ground. >I wouldn't want to see these in OSM unless they could somehow be marked as >non-navigable and rend

Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey Public Sector Mapping Agreement

Kevin Your observation is correct. Especially in open access land where the definitive line has been lazily drawn with a ruler, but in general too, I would record where the path is on the ground (if it can be seen!) and - if I have copyright-free information - I would add the numbering and l

Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey Public Sector Mapping Agreement

On 24/03/11 16:01, Mike Harris wrote: Council contacts are absolutely clear that OS makes no claim to PRoW data - they access it from the Highway Authorities in the same way as anyone else and are allowed to put it on their maps (although they add careful legal disclaimers as to its non-authori

Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey Public Sector Mapping Agreement

Peter Your first two paragraphs are factually correct i.e. as to the precedence of the Definitive Statement over the Definitive Map. I would share your interpretation of the new derived data rules as to the effect that has on freedom of use - although I might go a tad further in arguing that

Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey Public Sector Mapping Agreement

On 24 March 2011 16:08, Luke Smith wrote: > Good points there - that description is pretty useless without a map to go > with it. > > Previously, I would have argued that in some cases the fact there was a > right of way was important. It's common to see a PRoW on a map that follows > a perfectly

Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey Public Sector Mapping Agreement

On 24/03/2011 15:42, Peter Miller wrote: You make a good point. As far as I am aware the OS now allow derived works for things drawn on their maps which weren't on the base map. In the case of rights of way some of them are of course are on the background OS layer which is a limitation (see e

Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey Public Sector Mapping Agreement

On 24/03/2011 16:01, Mike Harris wrote: Peter I think the attitude of Councils varies a bit from place to place. For example, two Councils (qua Highway Authorities) that I deal with on a very regular basis both state that the definitive map data is available for public use so long as we do

Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey Public Sector Mapping Agreement

Good points there - that description is pretty useless without a map to go with it. Previously, I would have argued that in some cases the fact there was a right of way was important. It's common to see a PRoW on a map that follows a perfectly straight line across moorland. There's no path the

Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey Public Sector Mapping Agreement

On 24 Mar 2011, at 13:56, Luke Smith wrote: > As I understand it, there is both a written record of where the rights of way > go and the definitive map is in addition, with the written record taking > precedence? My experience is that it probably depends, and that the statement and map are ver

Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey Public Sector Mapping Agreement

On 24 March 2011 13:56, Luke Smith wrote: > As I understand it, there is both a written record of where the rights of > way go and the definitive map is in addition, with the written record taking > precedence? > > So if a local authority is drawing their map, and it's offset from the line > of

Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey Public Sector Mapping Agreement

As I understand it, there is both a written record of where the rights of way go and the definitive map is in addition, with the written record taking precedence? So if a local authority is drawing their map, and it's offset from the line of a wall for example from OS MasterMap, as the written

Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey Public Sector Mapping Agreement

On 23 March 2011 19:25, TimSC wrote: > Hi all, > > Here is part of an email I sent to a few councils regarding rights of way > data (footpaths, bridleways, etc): > > > I have a big and fairly complicated request regarding the definitive map. I > am interested in making data more accessible to th

Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey Public Sector Mapping Agreement

I would try to secure a face-to-face meeting with your council's GIS team, and separately with any teams that are custodians of other data you're interested in. Ask to talk generally about OpenStreetMap and raise this in the meeting. I've got a reasonable relationship now with a few people in Sout

[Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey Public Sector Mapping Agreement

Hi all, Here is part of an email I sent to a few councils regarding rights of way data (footpaths, bridleways, etc): I have a big and fairly complicated request regarding the definitive map. I am interested in making data more accessible to the public (as encouraged by central government [1]

Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey Public Sector Mapping Agreement

On 7 March 2011 18:17, Ed Avis wrote: > For those that haven't seen, the Ordnance Survey is going to provide local > authorities with access to its maps free of charge from April 1st. > >  /oswebsite/business/sectors/government/publicpsmafaqs.html> > > This doesn

[Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey Public Sector Mapping Agreement

For those that haven't seen, the Ordnance Survey is going to provide local authorities with access to its maps free of charge from April 1st. This doesn't directly affect OSM but it will provide tougher