Re: [Talk-GB] Possibly using "highway=path" for country footpaths

2009-04-15 Thread Richard Mann
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Tagwatch suggests that surface=paved, unpaved, gravel, cobblestone, ground > and grass > are the most common values (those with over 10k uses). > cheers > Richard > > (This was in response to my assertion that surface was unrenderable) Th

Re: [Talk-GB] Possibly using "highway=path" for country footpaths

2009-04-08 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Richard Mann wrote: > The surface key is unusable for practical rendering - it's too detailed. The surface page on the wiki has been hijacked by the usual wiki-gardening suspects. Tagwatch, as ever, is a much better guide: http://tagwatch.stoecker.eu/Europe/En/tags.html It suggests that pave

Re: [Talk-GB] Possibly using "highway=path" for country footpaths

2009-04-07 Thread Nick Whitelegg
>I see no reason for paths to be tagged differently just because they are >in an urban or rural setting, but then I find highway=footway intensely >irritating! Why footway exists but a tag for public footpaths doesn't >is frankly beyond me. It kind of does, the "designation" tag has been mentione

Re: [Talk-GB] Possibly using "highway=path" for country footpaths

2009-04-07 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Al Girling wrote: >  Why footway exists but a tag for public footpaths doesn't > is frankly beyond me. Because you're reading too much into the name. All the highway tags were initially made up to end in '...way'. So forget you're ideas of what a "footway" or a "f

Re: [Talk-GB] Possibly using "highway=path" for country footpaths

2009-04-07 Thread Richard Mann
To clarify, I was suggesting using highway=path for unmade or roughly-made footpaths, and highway=footway for made-up footpaths. Muddy paths would be highway=path whether they are in the countryside or between houses. There is a strong correlation between whether a path is made up and it's urban/r

Re: [Talk-GB] Possibly using "highway=path" for country footpaths

2009-04-07 Thread Al Girling
On Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 12:42:46PM BST, Richard Mann wrote: > > *** I would like feedback/discussion on this particular point - whether > urban made-up and rural unmade footpaths should be tagged distinctively *** I see no reason for paths to be tagged differently just because they are in an urba

Re: [Talk-GB] Possibly using "highway=path" for country footpaths

2009-04-06 Thread Andrew Chadwick (email lists)
Richard Mann wrote: > *** I would like feedback/discussion on this particular point - whether > urban made-up and rural unmade footpaths should be tagged distinctively *** They should receive different _sets_ of tags. But they are both instances of highway=footway if they happen to be signposted.

Re: [Talk-GB] Possibly using "highway=path" for country footpaths

2009-04-03 Thread Chris Fleming
On 03/04/09 13:43, Gregory Williams wrote: -Original Message- From: talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-gb- boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of David Earl Sent: 3 April 2009 13:02 To: Richard Mann Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Possibly using "hi

Re: [Talk-GB] Possibly using "highway=path" for country footpaths

2009-04-03 Thread Steve Hill
On Fri, 3 Apr 2009, David Earl wrote: > FWIW, I agree largely with the specific points on your wiki page, but I don't > think it will happen because of the effort involved. The wiki page wasn't really supposed to be a "this is how it needs to be" solution - the hope was to get people talking ab

Re: [Talk-GB] Possibly using "highway=path" for country footpaths

2009-04-03 Thread David Earl
On 03/04/2009 14:11, Steve Hill wrote: > However, mistake or not, we have what we have and making fundamental > changes doesn't seem especially likely (I have in the past made > suggestions regarding the fundamental data structure and have been met > with nothing but sarcastic replies and put-do

Re: [Talk-GB] Possibly using "highway=path" for country footpaths

2009-04-03 Thread Nick Whitelegg
>Having some time on my hands at the moment, I'm trying to get my head round some of the inconsistencies/duplications/gaps in the usage of the >highway key. Having looked at the recent widescale adoption of "highway=path" in Germany it is clearly fulfilling a need. I'm coming to the view that >

Re: [Talk-GB] Possibly using "highway=path" for country footpaths

2009-04-03 Thread Steve Hill
On Fri, 3 Apr 2009, Ed Loach wrote: > I'm beginning personally to think that > highway= were all a mistake and that > highway=path and designation=public_footpath/etc, along with > suitable access keys (foot, bicycle, etc) would have been a better > starting point I think even that is a bit too h

Re: [Talk-GB] Possibly using "highway=path" for country footpaths

2009-04-03 Thread Jonathan Bennett
Ed Loach wrote: > Indeed you can have designated public footpaths that pass through > urban areas Like this one? http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=51.23497&mlon=-0.59355&zoom=17&layers=B000FTF -- Jonathan (Jonobennett) ___ Talk-GB mailing list Ta

Re: [Talk-GB] Possibly using "highway=path" for country footpaths

2009-04-03 Thread Ed Loach
I'm beginning personally to think that highway= were all a mistake and that highway=path and designation=public_footpath/etc, along with suitable access keys (foot, bicycle, etc) would have been a better starting point - there would certainly be fewer debates where things are currently less than cl

Re: [Talk-GB] Possibly using "highway=path" for country footpaths

2009-04-03 Thread Richard Mann
gt; > boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of David Earl > > Sent: 3 April 2009 13:02 > > To: Richard Mann > > Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org > > Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Possibly using "highway=path" for country > > footpaths > > > > Well, you kno

Re: [Talk-GB] Possibly using "highway=path" for country footpaths

2009-04-03 Thread Steve Hill
On Fri, 3 Apr 2009, David Earl wrote: > In highway engineering terms in the UK a "footway" is always alongside a > road, and we don't tend to mark those separately anyway. This is a slightly separate issue, but not marking them is a bit of a problem in some cases because we end up with things li

Re: [Talk-GB] Possibly using "highway=path" for country footpaths

2009-04-03 Thread Gregory Williams
> -Original Message- > From: talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-gb- > boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of David Earl > Sent: 3 April 2009 13:02 > To: Richard Mann > Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org > Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Possibly using "highway=pat

Re: [Talk-GB] Possibly using "highway=path" for country footpaths

2009-04-03 Thread David Earl
On 03/04/2009 12:42, Richard Mann wrote: > *** I would like feedback/discussion on this particular point - whether > urban made-up and rural unmade footpaths should be tagged distinctively *** Given we already have a separate tag for surface, I don't see the distinction. In highway engineering

[Talk-GB] Possibly using "highway=path" for country footpaths

2009-04-03 Thread Richard Mann
Folks, Having some time on my hands at the moment, I'm trying to get my head round some of the inconsistencies/duplications/gaps in the usage of the highway key. Having looked at the recent widescale adoption of "highway=path" in Germany it is clearly fulfilling a need. I'm coming to the view that