On 20/10/17 06:05, Marc Gemis wrote:
> The full information that Nominatim knows for "WR12 7EP, United
> Kingdom" is shown on :
> http://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/details.php?place_id=180306705
> It does list a collection of streets. What you see on osm.org is just
> a small set, which does not i
Lester wrote:
> Nominatim produces something of a overloaded location string
That's the case outside the UK as. Look up any address in Flanders and
you get Flanders somewhere in the address stack. This admin level is
never used on letters nor in navigation, only for administrative
purposes.
As I s
"Are you saying that anything with a postcode beginning with SW should be
tagged addr:city=London and anything beginning with TW9 or TW10 should be
tagged addr:city=Richmond?"
I'm not saying others *should*, I am just saying how I *do *map. If others
want to document how they map I'm happy to how
On 19 October 2017 at 13:38, Ed Loach wrote:
>> For anyone else reading, we're talking about
>> http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/postcodes/stats/
>
> When I drilled down a bit I found an NG column with a * in it, e.g.
> http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/postcodes/stats/CO/CO13/
>
> In this instance I thi
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project: Addresses and Postcodes
I'm convinced that many such addresses are unnecessarily long (are there really
multiple Weldons in the Swanscome postal area?). Nevertheless we should have a
way of mapping them if they are the official address. I agree that
On 19/10/17 15:37, Colin Smale wrote:
> Which boundaries are your referring to, which have yet to be mapped?
> There are big holes in Civil Parish + Community mapping in the north of
> England/Wales/Scotland, but most of England is OK. AFAIK all other admin
> boundaries are in there.
Parish boundar
A lookup on DA10 1AZ gives the following results:
Marstons Inn (for example)
Talbot Lane
Weldon
Ebbsfleet Valley
SWANSCOMBE
DA10 1AZ
So it has a building name, a street name (Talbot Lane), a locality
(Ebbsfleet Valley), a sublocality (Weldon) and a post town (Swanscombe).
It that really necessar
Which boundaries are your referring to, which have yet to be mapped?
There are big holes in Civil Parish + Community mapping in the north of
England/Wales/Scotland, but most of England is OK. AFAIK all other admin
boundaries are in there.
"Place" boundaries are a whole other can of worms, because
On 19/10/17 15:30, Colin Smale wrote:
> It appears they don't even know/understand their own address... The post
> town is not Ebbsfleet but Swanscombe.
Not according to Royal Mail ;) But then that is no proof either, except
that is where post will be delivered by them.
--
Lester Caine - G8HFL
-
It appears they don't even know/understand their own address... The post
town is not Ebbsfleet but Swanscombe.
On 2017-10-19 16:17, Steve Doerr wrote:
> On 19/10/2017 12:42, Dave F wrote:
>
>> Where did you get that address? Their website shows it as:
>>
>> Spring River,
>> Talbot Lane,
>> Ebb
On 19/10/17 14:31, Dave F wrote:
> On 19/10/2017 12:04, Lester Caine wrote:
>> On 19/10/17 11:35, Adam Snape wrote:
>>> Doesn't its location within the UK make an explicit UK tag unnecessary?
>> But when reading a single object tags do you know just where it is? Some
>> other mechanism has to retur
On 19/10/2017 12:42, Dave F wrote:
Where did you get that address? Their website shows it as:
Spring River,
Talbot Lane,
Ebbsfleet,
DA10 1AZ
I got the address from a till receipt the first time I ate there, and
also checked the Royal Mail site.
Which bit is Talbot Lane; it's not tagged.
On 19/10/2017 12:04, Lester Caine wrote:
On 19/10/17 11:35, Adam Snape wrote:
Doesn't its location within the UK make an explicit UK tag unnecessary?
But when reading a single object tags do you know just where it is? Some
other mechanism has to return the 'inside boundary' data which takes
pr
Points - as in delivery points (letterboxes). If you try to analyse the
postcodes into areas, you will find all kinds of exclaves and enclaves.
To go from a postcode+house number to lat/long, you need to do a lookup
in the PAF. If you only have a partial code, you can get an
approximation You canno
Hi,
Yes, I was talking about in OSM, so was reluctant to go looking up the RM
version. When I used to sell stuff I did check with the RM website before
sending stuff out. In my local area I know which postcodes are for which
post town so I can correct without referring to the RM.
For delivery, yes
Haha, fair enough, it must depend where you live and the purposes for
needing an address. I apologise for the digression.
On 19 October 2017 at 14:02, Andy Townsend wrote:
> On 19/10/2017 13:15, Adam Snape wrote:
>
>> To my mind Nominatim should use postal addresses where tagged in OSM
>> ra
On 19/10/17 13:00, Steven Horner wrote:
UK postcodes generally cover an area/polygon. How big that area is
appears to come down to how much mail that area is likely to receive, I
think that's how its described on Wikipedia. So it could cover one
building, a street or a huge area if rural.
Or
On 19/10/2017 13:15, Adam Snape wrote:
To my mind Nominatim should use postal addresses where tagged in
OSM rather than trying to interpolate a address from admin boundaries.
As a backup it is better than nothing but it prodcues some bizarre
results. Somebody might live in Blackburn or Darw
On 19/10/17 13:15, Adam Snape wrote:
Despite postcode polygons sometimes being used, they are really just
automatically calculated from the delivery points to which the postcode
applies.
There is an extended version of the postcode, which includes an extra
two (I think) characters, that quali
The Post Office is quite happy to invent places and create addresses that don’t
reflect the reality on the ground.
For example, Shoeburyness is actually South Shoebury (the CofE church is still
called St Andrews South Shoebury) but the PO insisted (in the dim and distant
past) of calling it Sho
> For anyone else reading, we're talking about
> http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/postcodes/stats/
>
When I drilled down a bit I found an NG column with a * in it, e.g.
http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/postcodes/stats/CO/CO13/
In this instance I think the 4 CO13 3 codes are PO Boxes but fall just belo
On 19/10/17 13:15, Adam Snape wrote:
> But Ebbsfleet is not a Post Town. The address will include Swanscombe. I
> should have said before that my experience (as an eBay seller) is lots
> of people are unaware of their correct postal address. Each postcode
> section eg. DA1, DA2, DA3... will have a
But Ebbsfleet is not a Post Town. The address will include Swanscombe. I
should have said before that my experience (as an eBay seller) is lots of
people are unaware of their correct postal address. Each postcode section
eg. DA1, DA2, DA3... will have a particular post town, so I correct this
which
The polygons can also overlap. The road I live on is a crescent with different
postcodes for odd (outside) and even (inside) resulting in the centroids being
close together and within the even area.
Phil (trigpoint)
On 19 October 2017 13:00:25 BST, Steven Horner wrote:
>>
>> Postcodes refer t
>
> Postcodes refer to points, not to polygons.
Are you saying a point in OpenStreetMap terms?
UK postcodes generally cover an area/polygon. How big that area is appears
to come down to how much mail that area is likely to receive, I think
that's how its described on Wikipedia. So it could cover
On 19/10/17 12:37, Marc Gemis wrote:
> Then at least people know that they should not check with Nominatim.
>
> AFAIK, Nominatim does not try to generate an address you can put an a
> letter. It tries to show the address as part of the administrative
> hierarchy defined by the other objects in OS
Hi
Occasionally, especially with businesses, extra 'bits' get added to make
their establishment appear posher than it actually is.
Looking at it's location you can see why. 'Next to the interchange'
won't entice many customers.
Where did you get that address? Their website shows it as:
Sprin
Then at least people know that they should not check with Nominatim.
AFAIK, Nominatim does not try to generate an address you can put an a
letter. It tries to show the address as part of the administrative
hierarchy defined by the other objects in OSM. Some of those
administrative levels are not
In the UK, this algorithm is useless if you expect to get the actual
address that you could send a letter to, or that you could ask for
directions to.
On 2017-10-19 13:23, Marc Gemis wrote:
> Maybe it is interesting to repeat how Nominatim resolves addresses,
> just in case someone wants to do a
We have to remember that in the UK there is only a tenuous link between
the postal address and the physical address. A building can have
multiple postcodes, and the road/place in the postal address may not be
the same as the road/place you might expect from looking at the "nearest
road" and admin b
Maybe it is interesting to repeat how Nominatim resolves addresses,
just in case someone wants to do a search after adding an address.
- Nominatim starts from an address point (or building way with
address). It takes the house number from it and the street name.
- It tries to match the street name
On 19/10/17 11:35, Adam Snape wrote:
> Doesn't its location within the UK make an explicit UK tag unnecessary?
But when reading a single object tags do you know just where it is? Some
other mechanism has to return the 'inside boundary' data which takes
processing power.
> The postcode, where prese
Doesn't its location within the UK make an explicit UK tag unnecessary? The
postcode, where present does usually indicate the other address details
(though very occasionally postcodes can include more than one street).
However we have no way of tagging attributes to a postcode rather than an
OSM ob
On 19/10/17 09:35, Adam Snape wrote:
> So I'd tag Steve's example: name=The Spring River, addr:street=Talbot
> Lane, addr:hamlet=Weldon, addr:suburb=Ebbsfleet Valley,
> addr:city=Swanscombe, addr:postcode=DA10 1AZ
One of those itches to be scratched that have been discussed elsewhere ...
Do we rea
I'm convinced that many such addresses are unnecessarily long (are there
really multiple Weldons in the Swanscome postal area?). Nevertheless we
should have a way of mapping them if they are the official address. I agree
that more general guidance would aid consistency. My address mapping
practice
On 10/10/2017 19:07, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote:
It doesn't seem to have been mentioned here yet, but this quarter's UK
mapping project is to improve addresses and postcodes:
https://osmuk.org/uncategorized/jump-in-to-our-quarterly-mapping-project/
It would be useful to have some guid
On 18 October 2017 at 16:43, Brian Prangle wrote:
> The latest iteration of your postcode mapping viusalisation tool is a great
> QA tool for filling in gaps. However - 2 questions
For anyone else reading, we're talking about
http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/postcodes/stats/
> What do the columns
Hi Robert
The latest iteration of your postcode mapping viusalisation tool is a great
QA tool for filling in gaps. However - 2 questions
What do the columns S0 and S5 signify?
What made you stopusig the geopunk website?
Are we going to monitor progress with a taginfo script, like we did before
Hi Robert,
You might be able to give the '1AA's special treatment as I believe they
are reserved for the local postal sorting office. So, BN1 1AA is the main
Brighton sorting office, however BN2 1AA is the now closed Hove Post Office.
Regards,
Jez
On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 at 19:09, Robert Whittaker (O
It doesn't seem to have been mentioned here yet, but this quarter's UK
mapping project is to improve addresses and postcodes:
https://osmuk.org/uncategorized/jump-in-to-our-quarterly-mapping-project/
I've had a go at starting a wiki page for it at
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_2017_Q4_Pro
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