Re: [Talk-GB] "United Kingdom Tagging Guidelines" on the OSM wiki: due for an update?

2012-02-21 Thread Andrew
Another issue is that the designation key is sometimes misused by newcomers because of its prominence in some editors (trac issue 4251), which makes it harder for international applications to use it even when this happens outside Britain and could well strengthen the opinion that this is not

Re: [Talk-GB] "United Kingdom Tagging Guidelines" on the OSM wiki: due for an update?

2012-02-19 Thread Derick Rethans
On Sun, 19 Feb 2012, Rob Nickerson wrote: > I hadn't thought about public footpaths along a road. It nicely > demonstrates that for RoWs the highway tag really doesn't matter as it is > the designation that gives the relevant information. Well, in my case it's not even *along* the road... it's ju

[Talk-GB] "United Kingdom Tagging Guidelines" on the OSM wiki: due for an update?

2012-02-19 Thread Rob Nickerson
Hi All, I hadn't thought about public footpaths along a road. It nicely demonstrates that for RoWs the highway tag really doesn't matter as it is the designation that gives the relevant information. In that case I would tend to agree with Andrew's methodology (which also makes things easier for r

Re: [Talk-GB] "United Kingdom Tagging Guidelines" on the OSM wiki: due for an update?

2012-02-18 Thread Graham Jones
Hi You are dead right - I was talking about paths as in narrow strips of ground for walking on. I would tag a public footpath as highway=, designation=public_footpath. Graham. On 18 February 2012 10:48, Derick Rethans wrote: > Hi, > > On Sat, 18 Feb 2012, Graham Jones wrote: > > > On the other

Re: [Talk-GB] "United Kingdom Tagging Guidelines" on the OSM wiki: due for an update?

2012-02-18 Thread Derick Rethans
Hi, On Sat, 18 Feb 2012, Graham Jones wrote: > On the other hand I treat highway=path as just being a statement of fact - > 'there is a path here', so it needs some access tags adding to it. In my > mind highway = footway is about the same as highway=path; foot=yes (or > maybe designation=publi

Re: [Talk-GB] "United Kingdom Tagging Guidelines" on the OSM wiki: due for an update?

2012-02-18 Thread Graham Jones
y walk, I think this is a more important issue to fix than footway vs path! Nick -Graham Jones wrote: - To: Andrew Chadwick From: Graham Jones Date: 17/02/2012 07:43PM Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] "United Kingdom Tagging Guidelines" on the OSM wiki: due for

Re: [Talk-GB] "United Kingdom Tagging Guidelines" on the OSM wiki: due for an update?

2012-02-18 Thread Nick Whitelegg
: - To: Andrew Chadwick From: Graham Jones Date: 17/02/2012 07:43PM Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] "United Kingdom Tagging Guidelines" on the OSM wiki: due for an update? On 17 February 2012 17:35, Andrew Chadwick wrote: I'd still love to see some ar

Re: [Talk-GB] "United Kingdom Tagging Guidelines" on the OSM wiki: due for an update?

2012-02-18 Thread Nick Whitelegg
, farm animals, or walking through people's gardens would be good. Nick -Philip Barnes wrote: - To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org From: Philip Barnes Date: 17/02/2012 07:42PM Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] "United Kingdom Tagging Guidelines" on the OSM wiki: due for an update? On Fri, 20

Re: [Talk-GB] "United Kingdom Tagging Guidelines" on the OSM wiki: due for an update?

2012-02-17 Thread Graham Jones
I think I have worked out how to do the query using national park relations, and get the following results for a small sample: National Park | Footway (no des) | Footway (des) | path (no des) | path (des) | New Forest (way ID 129493402) | 153| 213 |98

Re: [Talk-GB] "United Kingdom Tagging Guidelines" on the OSM wiki: due for an update?

2012-02-17 Thread Graham Jones
On 17 February 2012 17:35, Andrew Chadwick wrote: > I'd still love to see some areas with big outbreaks of > highway=path+designation-only, or highway=path+access-tags-only as > representations of public paths. Must throw down some overpass-api > quadrats around the country to see what people are

Re: [Talk-GB] "United Kingdom Tagging Guidelines" on the OSM wiki: due for an update?

2012-02-17 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2012-02-17 at 16:16 +, SomeoneElse wrote: > The "England and Wales" vs rest of UKoGBaNI issue can probably be most > easily addressed by renaming it as an "England and Wales" guideline > page? The issues it attempts to address are an English and Welsh > problem that the parts of th

Re: [Talk-GB] "United Kingdom Tagging Guidelines" on the OSM wiki: due for an update?

2012-02-17 Thread Andrew Chadwick
On 17/02/12 15:16, Craig Wallace wrote: > On 17/02/2012 14:26, Andrew Chadwick wrote: >> Re https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_Tagging_Guidelines >> >> Who's with me? Any against? I'd *love* to know up front if anyone has >> any evidence of big areas of "highway=path + access tags"

Re: [Talk-GB] "United Kingdom Tagging Guidelines" on the OSM wiki: due for an update?

2012-02-17 Thread Andrew Chadwick
> On 17 February 2012 15:43, Nick Whitelegg > wrote: > > > From my understanding, a minimum of ONE to TWO tags are needed: > > a) a highway tag. This represents the physical properties of the > way, e.g. service, track, path (or footway - see belo

Re: [Talk-GB] "United Kingdom Tagging Guidelines" on the OSM wiki: due for an update?

2012-02-17 Thread Graham Jones
I thought there was a bit of Weardale with quite a mixture in this bit of map you can see highway = footway, path and track, plus an abandoned railway line - one day I am going to sit down and work out a colour scheme that I ca

Re: [Talk-GB] "United Kingdom Tagging Guidelines" on the OSM wiki: due for an update?

2012-02-17 Thread Ed Loach
I tag similarly, but do use highway=footway for any path which also has designation=public_footpath which is my one (personal) exception to the urban vs rural rule of thumb. I’ve not had to worry about anything signed as a permissive path yet I don’t think. In those cases I try and also remember a

Re: [Talk-GB] "United Kingdom Tagging Guidelines" on the OSM wiki: due for an update?

2012-02-17 Thread Graham Jones
On 17 February 2012 15:43, Nick Whitelegg wrote: > > From my understanding, a minimum of ONE to TWO tags are needed: > > a) a highway tag. This represents the physical properties of the way, e.g. > service, track, path (or footway - see below) > b) if applicable, a designation tag. This represents

Re: [Talk-GB] "United Kingdom Tagging Guidelines" on the OSM wiki: due for an update?

2012-02-17 Thread SomeoneElse
Andrew Chadwick wrote: I think we should drop recommendations of highway=path + access tags completely, because nobody really seems to be using that scheme. Go with the hybrid approach building on existing understated tagging as outlined in the link above, but state that a) designation=* is neede

Re: [Talk-GB] "United Kingdom Tagging Guidelines" on the OSM wiki: due for an update?

2012-02-17 Thread Nick Whitelegg
:27PM Subject: [Talk-GB] "United Kingdom Tagging Guidelines" on the OSM wiki: due for an update? Re https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_Tagging_Guidelines Rob Nickerson mentioned that the access table currently languishing on the talk page which got generated as a side

Re: [Talk-GB] "United Kingdom Tagging Guidelines" on the OSM wiki: due for an update?

2012-02-17 Thread Craig Wallace
On 17/02/2012 14:26, Andrew Chadwick wrote: Re https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_Tagging_Guidelines Who's with me? Any against? I'd *love* to know up front if anyone has any evidence of big areas of "highway=path + access tags" used as a representation of actual signposted RoWs

[Talk-GB] "United Kingdom Tagging Guidelines" on the OSM wiki: due for an update?

2012-02-17 Thread Andrew Chadwick
Re https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_Tagging_Guidelines Rob Nickerson mentioned that the access table currently languishing on the talk page which got generated as a side effect of the preset file project should be integrated into the main page. I think we need to go a bit further