Re: [Talk-GB] Vandalism in London

2014-10-05 Thread David Woolley
On 05/10/14 09:49, Lester Caine wrote: there should be a block on the deleted element being removed until the 'damage' is repaired. Something that JOSM at least tries to help with, but iD ignores? Where the damage is the breaking of a relation, iD is not ignoring it, it is actively but

Re: [Talk-GB] Vandalism in London

2014-10-05 Thread Andy Street
On Sun, 05 Oct 2014 00:35:20 +0100 David Woolley for...@david-woolley.me.uk wrote: I think iD has taken totally the wrong approach. If the concept is too difficult for the target audience, it should have refused the operation, rather than hidden the problem. Simply refusing to delete seems

Re: [Talk-GB] Vandalism in London

2014-10-05 Thread Lester Caine
On 05/10/14 11:25, Andy Street wrote: I think iD has taken totally the wrong approach. If the concept is too difficult for the target audience, it should have refused the operation, rather than hidden the problem. Simply refusing to delete seems rather unhelpful. I'd much prefer the user

Re: [Talk-GB] Vandalism in London

2014-10-04 Thread David Woolley
On 04/10/14 01:47, Antje (OpenStreetMap) wrote: Even the Inner ring road is damaged (3124618 http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3124618). This is the only specific one you identified. I assume you are referring to http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/25784400 which has the blank

Re: [Talk-GB] Vandalism in London

2014-10-04 Thread David Woolley
On 04/10/14 09:57, David Woolley wrote: This was done with iD which has a bad reputation for collateral damage, and without a sensible commit comment, it is difficult to work out what was intended, but I suspect that this relatively new editor is not actually malicious. That might have to be

Re: [Talk-GB] Vandalism in London

2014-10-04 Thread SomeoneElse
On 04/10/2014 10:14, David Woolley wrote: ... it is probably a mistaken attempt at personal mapping. That's what it looked like to me, certainly. The big problem with relations is that they tend to be subject to frequent edits, so reverts may fail, because they would take out a

Re: [Talk-GB] Vandalism in London

2014-10-04 Thread Roger Calvert
Perhaps the principle OSM editors could emit a warning whenever an edit is undertaken which could invalidate a relation, also noting how many other ways would be affected. This at least would give mappers a chance to consider carefully whether they really know what they are doing. Roger On

Re: [Talk-GB] Vandalism in London

2014-10-04 Thread David Woolley
On 04/10/14 21:58, Roger Calvert wrote: Perhaps the principle OSM editors could emit a warning whenever an edit is undertaken which could invalidate a relation, also noting how many other ways would be affected. This at least would give mappers a chance to consider carefully whether they really

Re: [Talk-GB] Vandalism in London

2014-10-04 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 10/05/2014 01:35 AM, David Woolley wrote: Note that both of them fix up the relations, by removing the member, so the relation is never structurally invalid The API would not allow deleting a way that is still member of a relation, so relations will (barring API bugs) always be

[Talk-GB] Vandalism in London

2014-10-03 Thread Antje (OpenStreetMap)
Suddenly I came back to the map just to find that my new bus relations are damaged by some vandal. I’m not rebuilding it. I give up. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb

Re: [Talk-GB] Vandalism in London

2014-10-03 Thread Dave F.
I sympathise Antje, I'm frustrated by vandals in my area (who really should know better, given the length of time they've been active). Post the links for your edits so we can have a look. Cheers Dave F. On 04/10/2014 01:22, Antje (OpenStreetMap) wrote: Suddenly I came back to the map just

Re: [Talk-GB] Vandalism in London

2014-10-03 Thread Antje (OpenStreetMap)
Here is the list of London bus routes for starters: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bus_routes_in_London The ones that I dramatically improved are the new-style route_master relations, which are: 3, 4, 8-11, 18, 19, 21, 24, 30, 38, 43, 49, 57, 73, 76, 100, 144, 148, 192, 205, 277, 341, 390,