Re: [Talk-GB] highway=trunk Roads and Cycle Navigation

2014-08-05 Thread ianmspencer
From: Bogus Zaba Sent: ‎Tuesday‎, ‎5‎ ‎August‎ ‎2014 ‎05‎:‎40 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Only thing to avoid is an automated edit whereby all UK trunk roads suddenly have a bicycle=yes tag since there are plenty of stretches where this would be quite wrong (both in terms of legal status -

Re: [Talk-GB] highway=trunk Roads and Cycle Navigation

2014-08-04 Thread Bogus Zaba
On 28/07/14 14:07, Dave F. wrote: Hi I must be missing something in your question, because what's wrong with adding the sub tags bicycle/foot = yes/no? Some users have been adding bicycle=no to UK motorways for this specific reasons. This would appear to be the right way to do it and my

Re: [Talk-GB] highway=trunk Roads and Cycle Navigation

2014-07-28 Thread David Woolley
On 27/07/14 22:26, ianmspen...@gmail.com wrote: So there should be a clear tagging that is distinct for the meaning of “trunk (UK sense)” vs “trunk (International sense) The logical conclusion of this would be that there would have to be a different tag for every jurisdiction. In this

Re: [Talk-GB] highway=trunk Roads and Cycle Navigation

2014-07-28 Thread Stuart Reynolds
did they say when you sent feedback to them? Regards, Stuart -Original Message- From: David Woolley [mailto:for...@david-woolley.me.uk] Sent: 28 July 2014 10:33 AM To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] highway=trunk Roads and Cycle Navigation On 27/07/14 22:26, ianmspen

Re: [Talk-GB] highway=trunk Roads and Cycle Navigation

2014-07-28 Thread ianmspencer
David, I’ve acknowledged this elsewhere and understand the problem better. I only had the perspective from having been hit by this problem from several sources over a number of years. I now realise it is a more general problem and am better armed to help point the producers in the right

Re: [Talk-GB] highway=trunk Roads and Cycle Navigation

2014-07-28 Thread Dave F.
Hi I must be missing something in your question, because what's wrong with adding the sub tags bicycle/foot = yes/no? Some users have been adding bicycle=no to UK motorways for this specific reasons. General comments: Something that's said many times before, but needs to be repeated: There

Re: [Talk-GB] highway=trunk Roads and Cycle Navigation

2014-07-28 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 28 July 2014 14:07, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: I must be missing something in your question, because what's wrong with adding the sub tags bicycle/foot = yes/no? Some users have been adding bicycle=no to UK motorways for this specific reasons. Agree. I think renderers and routers

Re: [Talk-GB] highway=trunk Roads and Cycle Navigation

2014-07-27 Thread ianmspencer
No, it is a miscasting the problem to suggest we don’t tag trunk roads (which clearly was not part of the problem). The problem is that there is a tagging system in place which is ambiguous from an International point of view. So there should be a clear tagging that is distinct for the meaning

Re: [Talk-GB] highway=trunk Roads and Cycle Navigation

2014-07-27 Thread SomeoneElse
On 27/07/2014 22:26, ianmspen...@gmail.com wrote: The problem is that there is a tagging system in place which is ambiguous from an International point of view. It is indeed the case that when someone in Germany tags a trunk road the default access rules are different to when someone in

Re: [Talk-GB] highway=trunk Roads and Cycle Navigation

2014-07-25 Thread David Woolley
On 25/07/14 17:15, Philip Barnes wrote: Are you proposing we tag for the renderer by not tagging trunk roads as trunk? No. He wants people to tag for the router, not the renderer. I think that is a bad idea, although not as bad when most trunk roads weren't already mapped, as it is doing

Re: [Talk-GB] highway=trunk Roads and Cycle Navigation

2014-07-25 Thread Shaun McDonald
On 25 Jul 2014, at 17:37, David Woolley for...@david-woolley.me.uk wrote: On 25/07/14 17:15, Philip Barnes wrote: Are you proposing we tag for the renderer by not tagging trunk roads as trunk? No. He wants people to tag for the router, not the renderer. I think that is a bad idea,

[Talk-GB] highway=trunk Roads and Cycle Navigation

2014-07-24 Thread ianmspencer
The trunk road tag on highway works differently in the UK from the usage in the rest of the world and it seriously affects interpreting routing. Essentially, in the UK it is understood that a highway=trunk will be interpreted with the default of bicycle=yes and pedestrian=yes. In the