[Talk-GB] Refs on Tertiary Unclassifed Roads in Highland

2013-03-17 Thread sk53.osm
I've noticed that many minor roads in the Highland Region of Scotland have been tagged with ref=[CU] based on a PDF document from the regions transport department. I've altered a few of these where I've encountered them to official:ref=* as I don't believe that these are verifiable on the

Re: [Talk-GB] Refs on Tertiary Unclassifed Roads in Highland

2013-03-17 Thread Paul Bivand
I've noticed the same thing in Kent. However, isn't the issue more about the renderers and routing rules knowing that C-number roads are never signposted? Therefore, you don't tell people to turn right onto the Cxxx, but to take the third right turn. The official documents won't distinguish

Re: [Talk-GB] Refs on Tertiary Unclassifed Roads in Highland

2013-03-17 Thread Colin Smale
There are plenty of things in OSM which are not verifiable on the ground. That in itself is not a reason to disqualify it from OSM or relegate it to second class information. It's more about the fact that there is a verifiable source of authoritative information (appropriately licensed of

Re: [Talk-GB] Refs on Tertiary Unclassifed Roads in Highland

2013-03-17 Thread sk53.osm
Yes, I believe in some cases they are signposted: in which case a ref=* is entirely appropriate. W.r.t other commenters, I do not believe that it is the role of OSM to hold internal identifiers, however authoritative, for any object as a matter of course. Certainly they should not be placed in

Re: [Talk-GB] Refs on Tertiary Unclassifed Roads in Highland

2013-03-17 Thread Colin Smale
On 2013-03-17 14:02, sk53.osm wrote: Yes, I believe in some cases they are signposted: in which case a ref=* is entirely appropriate. W.r.t other commenters, I do not believe that it is the role of OSM to hold internal identifiers, however authoritative, for any object as a matter of

Re: [Talk-GB] Refs on Tertiary Unclassifed Roads in Highland

2013-03-17 Thread Richard Fairhurst
SK53 wrote: I'd be interested in what others think (these council based refs do appear elsewhere in the country: I can't recall ever seeing one on a road sign). I agree very, very strongly that unsignposted C-road numbers (or U, or D, or E, or whatever) should not be placed in the ref tag.

Re: [Talk-GB] Refs on Tertiary Unclassifed Roads in Highland

2013-03-17 Thread Paul Williams
Apart from C, D, U etc roads, there are also many A and B roads which officially have a number but that number isn't signposted anywhere. For example in Derby, there is the A601 (Inner Ring Road), A5194 (London Rd) and B6000 (road to railway station). I'm fairly certain there isn't a single

Re: [Talk-GB] Refs on Tertiary Unclassifed Roads in Highland

2013-03-17 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)
On 17 March 2013 09:54, sk53.osm sk53@gmail.com wrote: I've noticed that many minor roads in the Highland Region of Scotland have been tagged with ref=[CU] based on a PDF document from the regions transport department. I've altered a few of these where I've encountered them to

Re: [Talk-GB] Refs on Tertiary Unclassifed Roads in Highland

2013-03-17 Thread SomeoneElse
On 17/03/2013 19:02, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: I would say that altering our tagging to avoid these numbers appearing on maps or in directions is to a large extent tagging for the render / router. The reference number *is* C616. Maybe in these cases some way of indicating to data

Re: [Talk-GB] Refs on Tertiary Unclassifed Roads in Highland

2013-03-17 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Someoneelse wrote: Could that, or something more appropriate to road reference numbers, be used here? Ah, déjà vu. http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2011-May/011628.html cheers Richard -- View this message in context:

[Talk-GB] Map Man Series 2 Repeated on BBC iPlayer

2013-03-17 Thread Robert Norris
Just a note to mention that this is being repeated on Saturday mornings on BBC2 and of course now on iPlayer: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0078y2t/Map_Man_Series_2_Bartholomews_Cycling_Map_of_England_and_Wales/ A must see for map, walking, cycling, history, geography enthusiasts or