Re: [Talk-GB] British Waterways

[Malcolm Herring via Talk-GB]

On 07/12/2020 12:52, SK53 wrote:

but other operators too


Also note that British Waterways Marinas Ltd has now become Aquavistq 
Waterside Ltd



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Re: [Talk-GB] Nominatim oddity

[Sarah Hoffmann]

On Mon, Dec 07, 2020 at 05:42:34PM +, Mark Goodge wrote:
> 
> 
> On 07/12/2020 17:34, Ken Kilfedder wrote:
> > That's the name in latin for the UK, I think.   Is it under name:la,
> > and do you have your browser set to latin for some reason?
> 
> No, my browser is set to English. But it does have Latin as one of several
> alternate languages. Odd that Nominatim seems to be using that rather than
> the browser's preferred language. Maybe it's parsing the language string
> back to front.

Nominatim is missing name:en in its internal list, so name:la is
the next best it finds. Something is wrong with taking over the names
from the OSM country boundaries. I'll have a look.

Sarah

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Re: [Talk-GB] Nominatim oddity

[Peter Neale via Talk-GB]

Hmm.
Well, in my case, it seems to come up as "Royaume-Uni"!
I'll need to try to fix that. (presumably in my account settings...)
Regards,Peter


On Monday, 7 December 2020, 17:38:49 GMT, Ken Kilfedder 
 wrote:  
 
 That's the name in latin for the UK, I think.  Is it under name:la, and do you 
have your browser set to latin for some reason?

I was able to set Chrome to Latin, and your URL did indeed have "Britanniarum 
Regnum" for place:country.
But in Firefox, set to English (GB), it just displays as "United Kingdom".

I wonder how many users OSM has in Vatican City?  (Where the ATMs have a Latin 
option, IIRC)

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On Mon, 7 Dec 2020, at 5:23 PM, Mark Goodge wrote:
> This may be a dim question, and this may possibly be the wrong place to 
> ask it. But, at the risk of being both dim and out of place... Why does 
> Nominatim return "Britanniarum Regnum" as the country name for objects 
> in the UK? For example:
> 
> https://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/ui/details.html?osmtype=N=21279378=place
> 
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Re: [Talk-GB] Nominatim oddity

[Mark Goodge]

On 07/12/2020 17:34, Ken Kilfedder wrote:

That's the name in latin for the UK, I think.   Is it under name:la,
and do you have your browser set to latin for some reason?


No, my browser is set to English. But it does have Latin as one of 
several alternate languages. Odd that Nominatim seems to be using that 
rather than the browser's preferred language. Maybe it's parsing the 
language string back to front.


Mark

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Re: [Talk-GB] Nominatim oddity

[Tom Hughes via Talk-GB]

On 07/12/2020 17:23, Mark Goodge wrote:

This may be a dim question, and this may possibly be the wrong place to 
ask it. But, at the risk of being both dim and out of place... Why does 
Nominatim return "Britanniarum Regnum" as the country name for objects 
in the UK? For example:


https://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/ui/details.html?osmtype=N=21279378=place 


Well it doesn't for me. Do you have your browser languages set to
prefer Latin or something (that's the name:la for the UK relation).

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Re: [Talk-GB] Nominatim oddity

[Ken Kilfedder]

That's the name in latin for the UK, I think.   Is it under name:la, and do you 
have your browser set to latin for some reason?

I was able to set Chrome to Latin, and your URL did indeed have "Britanniarum 
Regnum" for place:country.
But in Firefox, set to English (GB), it just displays as "United Kingdom".

I wonder how many users OSM has in Vatican City?  (Where the ATMs have a Latin 
option, IIRC)

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On Mon, 7 Dec 2020, at 5:23 PM, Mark Goodge wrote:
> This may be a dim question, and this may possibly be the wrong place to 
> ask it. But, at the risk of being both dim and out of place... Why does 
> Nominatim return "Britanniarum Regnum" as the country name for objects 
> in the UK? For example:
> 
> https://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/ui/details.html?osmtype=N=21279378=place
> 
> Mark
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[Talk-GB] Nominatim oddity

[Mark Goodge]

This may be a dim question, and this may possibly be the wrong place to 
ask it. But, at the risk of being both dim and out of place... Why does 
Nominatim return "Britanniarum Regnum" as the country name for objects 
in the UK? For example:


https://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/ui/details.html?osmtype=N=21279378=place

Mark

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Re: [Talk-GB] British Waterways

[Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-GB]

Dec 7, 2020, 16:00 by and...@black1.org.uk:

>
>
>
> On 07/12/2020 10:33, Richard Fairhurst  wrote:
>
>>   
>>
>> TBH there's  only 170 operator=British Waterways tags according 
>> to  taginfo, so it could be polished off pretty quickly with 
>>  an Overpass query and a manual edit.
>>
>
> Agreed.
>
>
> But (correct me if I am wrong) that is still an automated edit
>
>
Depends on whatever you just replace everything or check individual objects.

Meaning of "check" is important here. Is it necessary to just check tagging
(handling other operator tags, for example wikipedia:operator, 
wikidata:operator)?

Should you check surrounding OSM data? Aerial imagery? Research situation?

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Re: [Talk-GB] British Waterways

[Andrew Black]

On 07/12/2020 10:33, Richard Fairhurst wrote:


TBH there's only 170 operator=British Waterways tags according to 
taginfo, so it could be polished off pretty quickly with an Overpass 
query and a manual edit.



Agreed.

But (correct me if I am wrong) that is still an automated edit.


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Re: [Talk-GB] British Waterways

[SK53]

Coincidentally, or not, Owen Boswarva blogged
 about the EA Reservoir
register open data only yesterday. I was surprised to see Moorgreen
Reservoir still in the hands of the CRT, which Richard has confirmed.

This has a number of other values which it might be worth adding if
updating reservoirs, notably capacity in cubic metres, but other operators
too. Legally there seem to be differences between impounding and
non-impounding reservoirs, but also service reservoirs (possibly always
covered). I'd thought of using designation but the two properties seem to
be disjunct.

The dataset is probably more concerned with volumes of water held behind
dams which might fail. There are a number of ornamental lakes such as Groby
Pool & Wollaton Park Lake. This does highlight that the relevant dams have
not been mapped which may be worthwhile. I used it to find the reservoir
for the Hall water extraction point on the Trent near Newton-on-Trent which
I'd failed to find a couple of months ago.

Jerry




On Mon, 7 Dec 2020 at 10:18, Andy Mabbett  wrote:

> I just updated a local canal feeder reservoir, which was tagged in OSM
> as operator=British Waterways.
>
> The value should of course now be "Canal & River Trust".
>
> Should we have an automated edit to update all instances of "British
> Waterways"?
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Re: [Talk-GB] British Waterways

[Richard Fairhurst]

Andy Mabbett wrote:
> Should we have an automated edit to update all instances of "British 
>Waterways"?

Scotland's canals are still run by the British Waterways Board (trading as 
Scottish Canals), so any edit would need to be geographically constrained.

TBH there's only 170 operator=British Waterways tags according to taginfo, so 
it could be polished off pretty quickly with an Overpass query and a manual 
edit.

Richard
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Re: [Talk-GB] British Waterways

[Dan S]

Sounds OK to me.

FWIW, here's an edit I made a few years ago, similar in kind, to
rename Barclays/Santander Cycle Hire in London:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_edits/mcld

Op ma 7 dec. 2020 om 10:18 schreef Andy Mabbett :
>
> I just updated a local canal feeder reservoir, which was tagged in OSM
> as operator=British Waterways.
>
> The value should of course now be "Canal & River Trust".
>
> Should we have an automated edit to update all instances of "British 
> Waterways"?
>
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[Talk-GB] British Waterways

[Andy Mabbett]

I just updated a local canal feeder reservoir, which was tagged in OSM
as operator=British Waterways.

The value should of course now be "Canal & River Trust".

Should we have an automated edit to update all instances of "British Waterways"?

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