Re: [Talk-GB] [Osmf-talk] Live OSM discussion in ~45 minutes (7.30pm UK time)

2017-07-27 Thread Simon Poole
The thread was mainly about bad science and how it effects the perception of OSM in the public, including that it doesn't help in addressing real issues. Normally I would expect the moderators to suggest starting a new thread if you want to discuss the issues around diversity and how to address

Re: [Talk-GB] [Osmf-talk] Live OSM discussion in ~45 minutes (7.30pm UK time)

2017-07-27 Thread Gregory
Good to focus on the takeaways Mikel, thanks. Topics of research has come up too, and we could also be welcoming/helping academics more. I had already proposed a session for SotM, if anyone wants to join me.

Re: [Talk-GB] [Osmf-talk] Live OSM discussion in ~45 minutes (7.30pm UK time)

2017-07-27 Thread Philip Barnes
On 27 July 2017 07:37:43 BST, Ilya Zverev wrote: >On SotM 2016 8 of 45 talks (18%) were given by women. Srravya C in her >talk at that SotM shows that only 7% posts in talk@ were posted by >women, and just around 2% — in the tagging@ mailing list. She gives a >few good

Re: [Talk-GB] [Osmf-talk] Live OSM discussion in ~45 minutes (7.30pm UK time)

2017-07-27 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 26.07.2017 23:58, Ilya Zverev wrote: > While I was dismissive of her arguments four years ago, now I see that > all of her points were valid, and are still valid. I think that it is possible for an insider of OpenStreetMap to look at Monica's work and see some valid points in there. But

Re: [Talk-GB] [Osmf-talk] Live OSM discussion in ~45 minutes (7.30pm UK time)

2017-07-27 Thread Simon Poole
Am 27.07.2017 um 12:02 schrieb Ilya Zverev: > I do not have numbers for how many people in OSM are interested in which > facilities. If I had, that would be a great research subject, or at least a > topic for an interesting SotM presentation. > > This sub-thread, of course, is an extra

Re: [Talk-GB] [Osmf-talk] Live OSM discussion in ~45 minutes (7.30pm UK time)

2017-07-27 Thread Simon Poole
The Wikipedia article on the topic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowball_sampling It would just seem to be far too easy for advocacy groups to hijack even a well intentioned selection, which is what I suspect we are seeing here. Instead of getting a diversity of viewpoints we are simply getting

Re: [Talk-GB] [Osmf-talk] Live OSM discussion in ~45 minutes (7.30pm UK time)

2017-07-27 Thread Ilya Zverev
On SotM 2016 8 of 45 talks (18%) were given by women. Srravya C in her talk at that SotM shows that only 7% posts in talk@ were posted by women, and just around 2% — in the tagging@ mailing list. She gives a few good ideas about increasing the participation of women, by the way:

Re: [Talk-GB] [Osmf-talk] Live OSM discussion in ~45 minutes (7.30pm UK time)

2017-07-26 Thread Simon Poole
On 26.07.2017 23:58, Ilya Zverev wrote: > > but these people are a minority in OSM, Numbers please. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb

Re: [Talk-GB] [Osmf-talk] Live OSM discussion in ~45 minutes (7.30pm UK time)

2017-07-26 Thread Ilya Zverev
I have just went and rewatched the recording of Monica's 11-minute talk. While I was dismissive of her arguments four years ago, now I see that all of her points were valid, and are still valid. We have done nothing wrt diversity in our project. HOT did something, some local communities did

Re: [Talk-GB] [Osmf-talk] Live OSM discussion in ~45 minutes (7.30pm UK time)

2017-07-26 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 07/26/2017 07:45 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote: > I've just learned that this week's Wikimedia Research Showcase, > streamed online TONIGHT at 7.30pm UK time, will focus on structured > data in OpenStreetMap. Details below. Thank you for the link, apparently it can still be watched after: >