Re: [Talk-GB] Milton Keynes Redways - How to Tag Consistently
On 22/03/19 02:35, Peter Neale via Talk-GB wrote: Thanks to all for the helpful responses. I have looked (again) at the OSM Tags for Routing at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_tags_for_routing/Access-Restrictions#United_Kingdom from which it is clear that foot=yes (for example) is implied by highway=cycleway. However, Andy's question (if I understand it correctly) set me wondering whether there is any need to / benefit from distinguishing between foot=yes and foot=designated, etc. MK council, in their public mapping, imply that Redways are NOT (generally / universally) PROW. However, they DO seem to be "designated" for foot and cycle (and wheelchairs etc.), so perhaps they should be tagged; bicycle=designated; foot=designated,etc.,which highway=cycleway does not imply. Also, at the end of my original post, I asked: "*Naming* I am not aware of any Redways that have unique names (someone will probably correct me on this), but I see several on OSM tagged with “name=Redway”. Whilst I can see the attraction of doing this, I suspect that would not be considered good practice. Should I delete that name, whenever I see it? " Nobody seems to have commented on that yet (perhaps it got lost somewhere). Any views? I have transferred several 'names' to the description tag. Might be acceptable here? Regards, Peter On Thursday, 21 March 2019, 13:54:20 GMT, Andy Townsend wrote: On 21/03/2019 13:35, Ed Loach wrote: > How tagging changes over time... > > RichardF wrote: >> highway=cycleway, segregated=no achieves all that in two tags >> rather than >> seven. :) > I remember > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Milton_Keynes_Mapping_Party_2009 > where it looks like we (or at least I) only used highway=cycleway, e.g. > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/34669428/history > If they have some legal status beyond being "mere shared cycleways" would some sort of designation tag also make sense here? Currently that's used for legal designations such as public footpaths, public bridleways (and also I think core paths in Scotland). Best Regards, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Milton Keynes Redways - How to Tag Consistently
Thanks to all for the helpful responses. I have looked (again) at the OSM Tags for Routing at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_tags_for_routing/Access-Restrictions#United_Kingdomfrom which it is clear that foot=yes (for example) is implied by highway=cycleway. However, Andy's question (if I understand it correctly) set me wondering whether there is any need to / benefit from distinguishing between foot=yes and foot=designated, etc. MK council, in their public mapping, imply that Redways are NOT (generally / universally) PROW. However, they DO seem to be "designated" for foot and cycle (and wheelchairs etc.), so perhaps they should be tagged; bicycle=designated; foot=designated,etc.,which highway=cycleway does not imply. Also, at the end of my original post, I asked: "NamingI am not aware of any Redways that have unique names (someone will probably correct me on this), but I see several on OSM tagged with “name=Redway”. Whilst I can see the attraction of doing this, I suspect that would not be considered good practice. Should I delete that name, whenever I see it? " Nobody seems to have commented on that yet (perhaps it got lost somewhere). Any views? Regards, Peter On Thursday, 21 March 2019, 13:54:20 GMT, Andy Townsend wrote: On 21/03/2019 13:35, Ed Loach wrote: > How tagging changes over time... > > RichardF wrote: >> highway=cycleway, segregated=no achieves all that in two tags >> rather than >> seven. :) > I remember > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Milton_Keynes_Mapping_Party_2009 > where it looks like we (or at least I) only used highway=cycleway, e.g. > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/34669428/history > If they have some legal status beyond being "mere shared cycleways" would some sort of designation tag also make sense here? Currently that's used for legal designations such as public footpaths, public bridleways (and also I think core paths in Scotland). Best Regards, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Milton Keynes Redways - How to Tag Consistently
On 21/03/2019 13:35, Ed Loach wrote: How tagging changes over time... RichardF wrote: highway=cycleway, segregated=no achieves all that in two tags rather than seven. :) I remember https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Milton_Keynes_Mapping_Party_2009 where it looks like we (or at least I) only used highway=cycleway, e.g. https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/34669428/history If they have some legal status beyond being "mere shared cycleways" would some sort of designation tag also make sense here? Currently that's used for legal designations such as public footpaths, public bridleways (and also I think core paths in Scotland). Best Regards, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Milton Keynes Redways - How to Tag Consistently
How tagging changes over time... RichardF wrote: > highway=cycleway, segregated=no achieves all that in two tags > rather than > seven. :) I remember https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Milton_Keynes_Mapping_Party_2009 where it looks like we (or at least I) only used highway=cycleway, e.g. https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/34669428/history Ed ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Milton Keynes Redways - How to Tag Consistently
Peter Neale wrote: >So how should they be tagged for access? I believe it should be: > highway=path (but I see several tagged as highway=cycleway and both are > shown in the Wiki > at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway=cycleway) > foot=designated > motor vehicle=permit (to allow the emergency vehicles and maintenance > vehicles) > moped=no > bicycle=designated > horses=not specified > segregated=no highway=cycleway, segregated=no achieves all that in two tags rather than seven. :) It's also more meaningful for routers/renderers, which can default to assuming "this was built to cycleway standards" (i.e. paved) rather than "this is just a path of some sort" (i.e. who knows). Though by all means do add surface=paved (or =asphalt) for clarity. Richard -- Sent from: http://gis.19327.n8.nabble.com/Great-Britain-f5372682.html ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Milton Keynes Redways - How to Tag Consistently
On 21/03/19 04:58, Peter Neale via Talk-GB wrote: I am relatively new to OSM, but am trying to contribute in a useful way, particularly in my local area (Milton Keynes). Milton Keynes enjoys (among many benefits) an extensive network of joint-use Cycle Paths / Foot Paths, known as “Redways” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Keynes_redway_system Most (if not all) are already mapped in OSM, but the tagging is not consistent, so I was considering making small amendments to increase consistency. However, I don’t want to make them consistently wrong, so I am seeking confirmation of how they should be tagged. *Official Status of Redways * MK Council publishes a map of the Redway Network, https://www.milton-keynes.gov.uk/assets/attach/51668/MK_Redway_Poster_PRINT_NOcrops.pdf with a “Redway Code”, which states, “The Redways are an important part of Milton Keynes. They are shared-use routes for people on foot or on cycles. The traffic free network is popular for leisure, for commuting and for staying active. Redways may be used by anyone cycling and walking including people with pushchairs, or prams and those in wheelchairs (including powered wheelchairs / mobility scooters).” and, “Redways and the Law: Electric cycles which meet EAPC Regulations are permitted to use Redways. As Public Highway, all legal requirements and the Highway Code are applicable to the Redways: cycles should be roadworthy and able to stop in an emergency; cycle lights are required at night. All motor-powered vehicles including mopeds, mini-motos and motorcycles are prohibited from using Redways, with the exception of authorised vehicles e.g. emergency vehicles and maintenance vehicles.” *An Old Relation* I have found a previous Relation, (https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/145144) which I assume linked all the Redways, but which @andrewmk deleted some years ago, so I am NOT proposing to re-create that Relation. *Access Tagging* So how should they be tagged for access? I believe it should be: highway=path (but I see several tagged as highway=cycleway and both are shown in the Wiki at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway=cycleway) foot=designated motor vehicle=permit (to allow the emergency vehicles and maintenance vehicles) moped=no bicycle=designated horses=not specified segregated=no Is that correct? I would add wheelchair=yes surface=paved Then you can add additional details, like width=*, etc. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Milton Keynes Redways - How to Tag Consistently
I am relatively new to OSM, but am trying to contribute in a useful way, particularly in my local area (Milton Keynes). Milton Keynes enjoys (among many benefits) an extensive network of joint-use Cycle Paths / Foot Paths, known as “Redways” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Keynes_redway_system Most (if not all) are already mapped in OSM, but the tagging is not consistent, so I was considering making small amendments to increase consistency. However, I don’t want to make them consistently wrong, so I am seeking confirmation of how they should be tagged. Official Status of Redways MK Council publishes a map of the Redway Network, https://www.milton-keynes.gov.uk/assets/attach/51668/MK_Redway_Poster_PRINT_NOcrops.pdf with a “Redway Code”, which states, “The Redways are an important part of Milton Keynes. They are shared-use routes for people on foot or on cycles. The traffic free network is popular for leisure, for commuting and for staying active. Redways may be used by anyone cycling and walking including people with pushchairs, or prams and those in wheelchairs (including powered wheelchairs / mobility scooters).”and, “Redways and the Law: Electric cycles which meet EAPC Regulations are permitted to use Redways.As Public Highway, all legal requirements and the Highway Code are applicable to the Redways: cycles should be roadworthy and able to stop in an emergency; cycle lights are required at night.All motor-powered vehicles including mopeds, mini-motos and motorcycles are prohibited from using Redways, with the exception of authorised vehicles e.g. emergency vehicles and maintenance vehicles.” An Old RelationI have found a previous Relation, (https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/145144) which I assume linked all the Redways, but which @andrewmk deleted some years ago, so I am NOT proposing to re-create that Relation. Access TaggingSo how should they be tagged for access?I believe it should be:highway=path (but I see several tagged as highway=cycleway and both are shown in the Wiki at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway=cycleway)foot=designatedmotor vehicle=permit (to allow the emergency vehicles and maintenance vehicles)moped=no bicycle=designatedhorses=not specifiedsegregated=noIs that correct? NamingI am not aware of any Redways that have unique names (someone will probably correct me on this), but I see several on OSM tagged with “name=Redway”. Whilst I can see the attraction of doing this, I suspect that would not be considered good practice. Should I delete that name, whenever I see it? Regards, Peter Neale t: 01908 309666 m: 07968 341930 skype: nealepb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
