Re: [Talk-transit] Proposed Feature - RFC - Public Transport

2010-12-10 Thread Dominik Mahrer (Teddy)
On 12/11/2010 12:39 AM, Richard Mann wrote: The English-language discussion appears to have long reached a consensus (except for you). The decision to place highway=bus_stop beside the road has been made before highway=platform existed. Without highway=platform I also would vote for beside t

Re: [Talk-transit] Proposed Feature - RFC - Public Transport

2010-12-10 Thread Richard Mann
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 9:12 PM, Dominik Mahrer (Teddy) wrote: > Especially see the German talk page. I would like to approve a tagging > schema that is clearly defined. Doing this with new tags is portably the > easiest way. Redefining highway=bus_stop on or beside the way seams to be > nearly im

Re: [Talk-transit] Proposed Feature - RFC - Public Transport

2010-12-10 Thread Dominik Mahrer (Teddy)
On 12/10/2010 08:55 PM, Richard Mann wrote: I would agree that on-highway highway=bus_stop should be phased out (is anyone saying they should be retained?). I think they're a hangover from the time before we realised that tagging the pole was a better approach. In the mean time, I don't think it

Re: [Talk-transit] Proposed Feature - RFC - Public Transport

2010-12-10 Thread Richard Mann
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 7:17 PM, Michał Borsuk wrote: > If so, then may I ask if we really need this role? Could you provide an > example, as I may not completely understand the details? I was thinking about a relation like this: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/143147 (This is unor

Re: [Talk-transit] Proposed Feature - RFC - Public Transport

2010-12-10 Thread Richard Mann
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Dominik Mahrer (Teddy) wrote: > Think of a terminal bus station somewhere in the center of a city. Four bus > lines end here. One platform of 50m. The four lines stop always at the same > position (line 1 is first,..., line 4 is last). Only one pole for all buses.

Re: [Talk-transit] Proposed Feature - RFC - Public Transport

2010-12-10 Thread Michał Borsuk
On 10 December 2010 12:31, Richard Mann wrote: > > I was thinking that role=loop on the loop stops might be one way to do > it, with role=terminus for single-point route ends (and as a notional > terminus on a loop)? > I think we're talking about two slightly different things. In my area there ar

Re: [Talk-transit] Proposed Feature - RFC - Public Transport

2010-12-10 Thread Dominik Mahrer (Teddy)
Think of a terminal bus station somewhere in the center of a city. Four bus lines end here. One platform of 50m. The four lines stop always at the same position (line 1 is first,..., line 4 is last). Only one pole for all buses. Where do you place your tags? Or how do you tell where to wait

Re: [Talk-transit] Proposed Feature - RFC - Public Transport

2010-12-10 Thread Richard Mann
Dominik/Teddy Please could you explain what situation do highway=bus_stop / highway=platform / railway=platform not cover already, that requires public_transport=platform to be added to the list? If you're not intending to deprecate, then you're just adding complexity. Also I think you need to ma

Re: [Talk-transit] Proposed Feature - RFC - Public Transport

2010-12-10 Thread Dominik Mahrer (Teddy)
Hi Richard There appears to be a degree of consensus on using one type=route relation per direction (though it's not entirely clear whether this is really necessary), not worrying overmuch about telescopic routes or occasional diversions, and (groaning but) creating separate relations for routes

Re: [Talk-transit] Proposed Feature - RFC - Public Transport

2010-12-10 Thread Dominik Mahrer (Teddy)
Hi Richard The only inconsistency is that "tram_stop" generally refers to a stopping place and "bus_stop" generally refers to a quay. This is not enough reason to propose changing half a million established tags. Sometimes trams stop at bus_stops and sometimes buses stop at platforms, but that's

Re: [Talk-transit] Proposed Feature - RFC - Public Transport

2010-12-10 Thread Richard Mann
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 11:11 AM, Michał Borsuk wrote: > On 12/10/2010 11:20 AM, Richard Mann wrote: >> >> I think >> the biggest uncertainty is how you handle loops at the end of a route >> - do you have overlapping single-direction relations, pick an >> abritrary position to change direction, or

Re: [Talk-transit] Proposed Feature - RFC - Public Transport

2010-12-10 Thread Michał Borsuk
On 12/10/2010 11:20 AM, Richard Mann wrote: I think the biggest uncertainty is how you handle loops at the end of a route - do you have overlapping single-direction relations, pick an abritrary position to change direction, or stick with having both directions in the same relation and let the dat

Re: [Talk-transit] Proposed Feature - RFC - Public Transport

2010-12-10 Thread Richard Mann
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 5:29 AM, Dominik Mahrer (Teddy) wrote: > On 12/10/2010 01:45 AM, Richard Mann wrote: >> >> highway=bus_stop on a node next to a road >> railway=tram_stop on a node on railway=tram >> railway=platform on a node or way or area next to the tram tracks > > This is how you are u