Re: [Talk-transit] maintenance is very time consuming on public transport routes

2013-12-01 Thread Mike N
On 12/1/2013 5:32 PM, Jo wrote: Hmm, I was thinking of staying more or less within the lines of what we have now, but take away the burden of 10, 20, 70 relations on the same piece of road. I'm just curious - what type of data consumer could use information from OSM which contains 70 routes i

Re: [Talk-transit] maintenance is very time consuming on public transport routes

2013-12-01 Thread Arun Ganesh
On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 3:55 AM, Jo wrote: > That sounds like a totally different ballpark, which will never fit in the > organised way it's done here. So the model as it is now doesn't fit and > what I'm proposing doesn't fit either. Are there even fixed positions where > the buses would stop? Ho

Re: [Talk-transit] maintenance is very time consuming on public transport routes

2013-12-01 Thread Jo
Hmm, I was thinking of staying more or less within the lines of what we have now, but take away the burden of 10, 20, 70 relations on the same piece of road. Those sub relations could describe how to get from one stop to the next, or describe the common parts of how buses get from A to J with sever

Re: [Talk-transit] maintenance is very time consuming on public transport routes

2013-12-01 Thread Jo
That sounds like a totally different ballpark, which will never fit in the organised way it's done here. So the model as it is now doesn't fit and what I'm proposing doesn't fit either. Are there even fixed positions where the buses would stop? How do you know where the bus will take you? If it's o

Re: [Talk-transit] maintenance is very time consuming on public transport routes

2013-12-01 Thread Erik Johansson
On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 1:09 PM, Shaun McDonald wrote: > Which is why I believe that it’s better to use GTFS data, and auto snap the > GTFS data to the OSM data. There then needs to be some hints in the OSM data > as to which roads buses do and don’t or shouldn’t run on. Bus routes also > change fa

Re: [Talk-transit] maintenance is very time consuming on public transport routes

2013-12-01 Thread Arun Ganesh
The complexity of the current PT schema makes it close to impossible to creat or maintain this kind of data in India, where bus transport systems are a lot more complex, unstructured and dynamic. I have found making bus frequency based renderings to be a lot more useful here [1], where the only da

Re: [Talk-transit] maintenance is very time consuming on public transport routes

2013-12-01 Thread Richard Michael Willis
You're certainly not alone. I'm mapping the _single_ bus route in my area, but it has about a zillion variations, none of which is entirely predictable without access to the full timetable data. This single route is effectively a mini network all by itself. I thought as you did, that some commonal

Re: [Talk-transit] maintenance is very time consuming on public transport routes

2013-12-01 Thread Jo
I'm brooding on this for over a year now, but it's only recently that I've started to add lots of route relations for buses and trams, complete with all the variations. This proposal would, of course, also make it a lot easier to add the relations in the first place. For the conversion, I can com

Re: [Talk-transit] maintenance is very time consuming on public transport routes

2013-12-01 Thread Shaun McDonald
Which is why I believe that it’s better to use GTFS data, and auto snap the GTFS data to the OSM data. There then needs to be some hints in the OSM data as to which roads buses do and don’t or shouldn’t run on. Bus routes also change far more frequently than fixed infrastructure or cycle or walk

Re: [Talk-transit] maintenance is very time consuming on public transport routes

2013-12-01 Thread Teuxe
Hi, You're certainly not alone: I was precisely thinking of such a kind of solution these last days. I'm usually mapping bus routes and the variants are really heavy to duplicate. This is also the reason why I didn't get too close yet to the train lines/infrastructure (which are far longer in

[Talk-transit] maintenance is very time consuming on public transport routes

2013-12-01 Thread Jo
Hi, This subject has come up here and there already. I'm in the process of adding public transport routes for all the buses and trams in my region. - each variation of a route gets its own route relation - at times there are 40 variations - on average 2-6 - buses tend to use the same ways for sev