Re: [Talk-transit] Ideas for a simplified public transportation scheme

On Mon, 13 May 2019 at 11:49, Dave F via Talk-transit wrote: > If Philip really wants a router to tell him where the nearest > shelter (surely you can just look around you), You're joking?! The entire OpenStreetMap could be waved away with the phrase "surely you can just look around you". Why ta

Re: [Talk-transit] Ideas for a simplified public transportation scheme

If separate signs.poles - double nodes if single sign/poles - two tags on one node DaveF On 13/05/2019 16:02, Johnparis wrote: If a platform is multimodal, highway=bus_stop fails, because the same node requires (for example) railway=tram_stop ___

Re: [Talk-transit] Ideas for a simplified public transportation scheme

On 13/05/2019 16:36, Johnparis wrote: the bus stop (platform) node allows for shelter=yes/no and bench=yes/no, so it's not really necessary to separately map them and/or group them into the stop area. If you've the time, map them separately  - it makes the database more accurate, but I still f

Re: [Talk-transit] Ideas for a simplified public transportation scheme

Why does all the info need to be in one node and not on a way? Also, if there is a platform, it should be a polygon, not just a line. That should not be to micro to be mapped in true dimensions. If that object is the true only thing that defines the stop, it should be able to have the tags in ev

Re: [Talk-transit] Ideas for a simplified public transportation scheme

I think this highlights another PT schema problem - expecting too much from a routing engine. On 13/05/2019 16:29, Philip Barnes wrote: I do, but there tend to be lots of bus stops and sometimes I want it to choose the one with the shelter if its only a short extra walk. Phil (trigpoint)

Re: [Talk-transit] Ideas for a simplified public transportation scheme

I agree that platforms should be mapped as ways only if they physically exist. What I'm saying is that I don't object if someone does map such an object, but the information from the transit agency should always be contained in a node, not a way, as Jo mentioned. I usually place the node inside th

Re: [Talk-transit] Ideas for a simplified public transportation scheme

When the platform is a really existing built thing, you would need highway=platform on it, and an additional highway=bus_stop at the stop pole or wherever. That is more clutter and worse state of the database, than if we would finally move to the more versatile public_transport=platform. As it i

Re: [Talk-transit] Ideas for a simplified public transportation scheme

the bus stop (platform) node allows for shelter=yes/no and bench=yes/no, so it's not really necessary to separately map them and/or group them into the stop area. On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 5:30 PM Philip Barnes wrote: > On Monday, 13 May 2019, Dave F via Talk-transit wrote: > > > > > > On 13/05/2

Re: [Talk-transit] Ideas for a simplified public transportation scheme

On 13/05/2019 16:14, Johnparis wrote: I don't have any particular problem with mapping an area (closed way) or a way (line segment) as a platform, Please, please only map a platform /if/ it's a physical structure. Imaginary meta-objects  don't work in OSM DaveF _

Re: [Talk-transit] Ideas for a simplified public transportation scheme

On Monday, 13 May 2019, Dave F via Talk-transit wrote: > > > On 13/05/2019 16:14, Philip Barnes wrote: > > > > I can see that when its raining I may want the router to direct me to a > > stop with a shelter rather than stand in the rain. > Surely you need to be given the bus stop which will take

Re: [Talk-transit] Ideas for a simplified public transportation scheme

On 13/05/2019 16:14, Philip Barnes wrote: I can see that when its raining I may want the router to direct me to a stop with a shelter rather than stand in the rain. Surely you need to be given the bus stop which will take you to your destination? That /is/ the point of a router. DaveF ___

Re: [Talk-transit] Ideas for a simplified public transportation scheme

On Monday, 13 May 2019, Dave F via Talk-transit wrote: > > > On 12/05/2019 23:14, Jo wrote: > > About the stop_area relations, they're not needed everywhere, but they > > could be used to show what belongs together. Of course, that would mean all > > the objects related to the stop at one side of

Re: [Talk-transit] Ideas for a simplified public transportation scheme

I don't have any particular problem with mapping an area (closed way) or a way (line segment) as a platform, but I agree with Jo that the information should be contained in a node. That node can be part of the way. From experience, it complicates things quite a bit when you transfer the information

Re: [Talk-transit] Ideas for a simplified public transportation scheme

Definitely not non-transit items. GTFS defines the equivalent of a stop area. The Paris regional transit agency largely reflects these as transfer points between lines of different bus companies. It can also be useful to link a stop position to a platform, which can be very useful when it's not cl

Re: [Talk-transit] Ideas for a simplified public transportation scheme

On 13/05/2019 07:36, Tijmen Stam wrote: On 13-05-19 00:14, Jo wrote: I like to keep things simple, the best way to accomplish that, is by having a single object for each stop that holds all the details for its "lifetime". That's why I don't like the idea of 'upgrading from a node to a way/area

Re: [Talk-transit] Ideas for a simplified public transportation scheme

On 12/05/2019 23:14, Jo wrote: About the stop_area relations, they're not needed everywhere, but they could be used to show what belongs together. Of course, that would mean all the objects related to the stop at one side of the street, not both sides. Why items "belong together"? Does a rout

Re: [Talk-transit] Ideas for a simplified public transportation scheme

If a platform is multimodal, highway=bus_stop fails, because the same node requires (for example) railway=tram_stop On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 4:56 PM Dave F via Talk-transit < talk-transit@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > On 12/05/2019 19:55, Tijmen Stam wrote: > . > > > > No, changing of tagging, not

Re: [Talk-transit] Ideas for a simplified public transportation scheme

On 12/05/2019 19:55, Tijmen Stam wrote: . No, changing of tagging, not replication. There is no need to map with highway=bus_stop anymore (save for rendering on osm_carto) No. highway=bus_stop is fully relevant as the day it was first used. It's simple, clear, comprehensible meaning far out

Re: [Talk-transit] Ideas for a simplified public transportation scheme

On Mon, 2019-05-13 at 08:47 -0400, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: > On Mon, 13 May 2019 at 03:50, Snusmumriken > wrote: > > On Sun, 2019-05-12 at 20:55 +0200, Tijmen Stam wrote: > > > It is not uncommon for key/values to be misnomers in OSM. > > > Clearest > > > example is private-access ways being tagge

[Talk-transit] "more then one platform in one location"

Hi On the railway=platform wiki page there's a comment: "If there are more then one platform in one location, a relation could be used to "bind" them together. See Approved Public Transport Schema for more information."

Re: [Talk-transit] Ideas for a simplified public transportation scheme

On Mon, 13 May 2019 at 03:50, Snusmumriken wrote: > On Sun, 2019-05-12 at 20:55 +0200, Tijmen Stam wrote: > > It is not uncommon for key/values to be misnomers in OSM. Clearest > > example is private-access ways being tagged as highway=* (plus > > access=no) which is a misnomer in British English

Re: [Talk-transit] Ideas for a simplified public transportation scheme

Indeed, that's were we don't seem to be able to agree. Let's say all bus stops are mapped on nodes to get started. Then a mapper notices there is a platform near to some of them. Those platforms can simply be drawn, in addition, to the nodes that represent such stops. No need to transfer from a n

Re: [Talk-transit] Ideas for a simplified public transportation scheme

On Sun, 2019-05-12 at 20:55 +0200, Tijmen Stam wrote: > a "public_transport=platform" is not defined as being "platform" > (raised good concrete flooring) but as "the place where people wait > to board a bus/tram/train". Whatever form that is. > > It is not uncommon for key/values to be misnomers