[Talk-us] USGS has no problem using information from copyrighted maps

2010-04-08 Thread Nathan Edgars II
First, I'm not trying to start an argument or even a civilized discussion about our policies in this matter. I just found this interesting. http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/gnispublic/f?p=gnispq:3:::NO::P3_FID:1196597 is Rosslyn Station, a former railway station in Pennsylvania. The source cited for

Re: [Talk-us] Street Naming Conventions

2010-04-08 Thread andrzej zaborowski
Hi Val, you send the mail to me only, you might want to resend to list. On 8 April 2010 08:31, Val Kartchner val...@gmail.com wrote: 5) Should suggestions be given to renderers to use the USPS abbreviations? Another possibility is to use the TIGER guidelines, if the USPS list has issues

Re: [Talk-us] Street Naming Conventions

2010-04-08 Thread Richard Welty
On 4/8/10 9:48 AM, Lord-Castillo, Brett wrote: One issue with using unabbreviated names, is sometimes the abbreviations are part of the official name. Examples here: 1st Community CU Dr (First Community Credit Union goes to a -different- address) River City Blvd/River City Casino Blvd;

Re: [Talk-us] Street Naming Conventions

2010-04-08 Thread am12
Some of the examples comma separated into the 4 field format: South, ,1000 East, Street Paul Johnson mentioned on IRC today the case of East Doctor Martin Luther King, Junior Boulevard, which wouldn't work with this schema I don't think *storing* them as comma separated was the suggested

Re: [Talk-us] Street Naming Conventions

2010-04-08 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 8 Apr 2010, at 9:42 , am12 wrote: Some of the examples comma separated into the 4 field format: South, ,1000 East, Street Paul Johnson mentioned on IRC today the case of East Doctor Martin Luther King, Junior Boulevard, which wouldn't work with this schema I don't think *storing*

Re: [Talk-us] Street Naming Conventions

2010-04-08 Thread Mike Thompson
my experience is that directional is a prefix not a suffix I have seen directionals as suffixes, and in some cases a street will have both a prefix and suffix directional ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-us] Street Naming Conventions

2010-04-08 Thread am12
my experience is that directional is a prefix not a suffix Portland OR is full of prefixes. Seattle WA is full of suffixes. Certainly TIGER has them because they occur plenty of places in the US. name:nonabbrev=fullname name=abbrev name advatage is that rendering doesn't need to change

Re: [Talk-us] Street Naming Conventions

2010-04-08 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 8 April 2010 15:48, Lord-Castillo, Brett blord-casti...@stlouisco.com wrote: One issue with using unabbreviated names, is sometimes the abbreviations are part of the official name. Examples here: 1st Community CU Dr (First Community Credit Union goes to a -different- address) River City

Re: [Talk-us] Street Naming Conventions

2010-04-08 Thread Lord-Castillo, Brett
They say 'Rue Saint Louis', which is an alternate name for the street (but not the official postal name) or they say 'S T Louis Street'. I think the post office uses the different zip codes to sort things out; but that doesn't help with street routing which can get pretty screwed up depending

Re: [Talk-us] Street Naming Conventions

2010-04-08 Thread Mike Thompson
my experience is that directional is a prefix not a suffix Portland OR is full of prefixes.  Seattle WA is full of suffixes. Certainly TIGER has them because they occur plenty of places in the US. In Washington DC * S Capitol St SW * S Capitol St SE * N Capitol St NW * N Capitol St NE * E

Re: [Talk-us] USGS has no problem using information from copyrighted maps

2010-04-08 Thread Dale Puch
It will probably take some digging to find out the full story, and it will probably differ from state to state. But it seems that around 1995-2005 time range federal, state and local governments started to share GIS data. As they did this they also changed their copyright and access policies due

Re: [Talk-us] USGS has no problem using information from copyrighted maps

2010-04-08 Thread Dale Puch
For reference, http://www.fgdc.gov/library/factsheets/documents/datashare.pdf There are exceptions, but from what I have seen this policy seems to be the basis of the government opening up GIS data. Dale On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Dale Puch dale.p...@gmail.com wrote: It will probably take

Re: [Talk-us] Street Naming Conventions

2010-04-08 Thread Richard Welty
all over upstate NY, you will see Fred Street in town, and Fred Street Road extending out into the county... richard On 4/8/10 4:20 PM, Brad Neuhauser wrote: For another oddball example, there are some names like Upper 35th St Cir or McKusick Rd Ct (which are offshoots of Upper 35th St and

Re: [Talk-us] Street Naming Conventions

2010-04-08 Thread Dale Puch
Using a bot for specific well know Suffix abbreviations only should be reasonably safe. IE never change ST to street if it is a prefix sort of rules. Dale On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.netwrote: On 4/8/10 9:48 AM, Lord-Castillo, Brett wrote: One issue

Re: [Talk-us] Street Naming Conventions

2010-04-08 Thread Dale Puch
Perhaps we should take a look at what a bot would match. Run a bot that finds and counts the various matches and outputs a report only. pre, mid and suffix counts the abbreviations. and what the bot would expand each abbreviation to. Abbreviations in the middle should be located, but probably

Re: [Talk-us] Street Naming Conventions

2010-04-08 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 8 April 2010 22:40, Dale Puch dale.p...@gmail.com wrote: Using a bot for specific well know Suffix abbreviations only should be reasonably safe.  IE never change ST to street if it is a prefix sort of rules. TIGER specifies which qualifiers can appear as prefixes and which as suffixes.

Re: [Talk-us] Street Naming Conventions

2010-04-08 Thread Mike Thompson
Since I raised the issue at some point in this thread of whether a bot should be used for fixing abbreviations I will respond. What Dale is proposing makes a lot of sense. On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 3:09 PM, Dale Puch dale.p...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps we should take a look at what a bot would

Re: [Talk-us] Street Naming Conventions

2010-04-08 Thread Val Kartchner
On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 00:59 +0200, andrzej zaborowski wrote: Hi, On 7 April 2010 20:12, Mike Thompson miketh...@gmail.com wrote: Having said that, I think it is a bad idea to have a bot going through and attempting to expand abbreviations. I ran the bot ([1]) over the west half of the

Re: [Talk-us] Street Naming Conventions

2010-04-08 Thread Val Kartchner
On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 12:23 -0400, Richard Welty wrote: i don't think anyone would argue with this. it's why having a bot rampage through fixing things is probably a Real Bad Idea unless it's extremely well thought out and comprehensively tested beforehand. While I didn't like what the bot

Re: [Talk-us] Street Naming Conventions

2010-04-08 Thread Dale Puch
With regards to E Ave Check for a base name if all is matched. If nothing is left, leave the name alone. I'm not sure what you asking about with Southbay vs South bay Are you trying to figure out if the bot should add or remove the space? If so, leave that for manual edits. Dale On Thu, Apr

Re: [Talk-us] Street Naming Conventions

2010-04-08 Thread Val Kartchner
On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 23:43 -0400, Dale Puch wrote: With regards to E Ave Check for a base name if all is matched. If nothing is left, leave the name alone. I'm not sure what you asking about with Southbay vs South bay Are you trying to figure out if the bot should add or remove the space?

Re: [Talk-us] Street Naming Conventions

2010-04-08 Thread Dale Puch
Err, well you brought them up ;) But yes I guess this would largly be directed towards the bot master. E Ave example the bot needs to not change E to east despite it being the first item. The logic would be that there is no base name if E is changed to east ans Ave changed to Avenue. Deciding