Re: [Talk-us] Moving forward with the bot discussion

2010-08-06 Thread Kevin Atkinson
On Fri, 6 Aug 2010, Serge Wroclawski wrote: 2. Lets make it easy to spin up small instances of OSM, or instances of small area of OSM. I know there's docs on how to do this- from getting the rails code to getting the database, and mapnik working. So lets make this process easier and more straig

Re: [Talk-us] A Friendly Guide to 'Bots and Imports

2010-08-06 Thread Alan Millar
As I manually survey various features (POIs, some hydro, etc.), I usually try to merge in the data from existing imports so as to maintain the link (e.g. gnis:feature_id) back to the original database, in case we want to exchange updates with them again. this is impossible due to the licens

[Talk-us] Moving forward with the bot discussion

2010-08-06 Thread Serge Wroclawski
The other thread got a bit long, but I think we made a lot of progress, so here's what I think we should do, and what I'm going to do to support it: 1. We create some bot framework that we all like. I have a start on that in Python that needs some polishing. I don't want to blab about it because

Re: [Talk-us] A Friendly Guide to 'Bots and Imports

2010-08-06 Thread Greg Troxel
Serge Wroclawski writes: > Moving away from discussions of specific imports, I'd like to explore > what people think about a few areas of this discussion: > > 1) When someone says "I want to import X", what should our first response be? I think your reaction to point out the danger is fair. Bu

Re: [Talk-us] How to get college students involved?

2010-08-06 Thread Richard Welty
On 8/6/10 2:50 PM, Richard Weait wrote: O I love the idea of exposing students and campuses to OSM. I have written about OSM and campuses before and saw some interest. i'm starting to think about a first mapping party here in Albany, and had come to the conclusion that going to one of the coll

Re: [Talk-us] A Friendly Guide to 'Bots and Imports

2010-08-06 Thread Alan Mintz
At 2010-08-06 06:11, Serge Wroclawski wrote: ... 1. I think the first reactions to a request to import should be something that outlines the danger to OSM of importing. The biggest danger of which, IMO, is duplication of existing data. I believe many newbies will want to import datasets that a

Re: [Talk-us] A Friendly Guide to 'Bots and Imports

2010-08-06 Thread Kevin Atkinson
On Fri, 6 Aug 2010, Kevin Atkinson wrote: On Fri, 6 Aug 2010, Katie Filbert wrote: 1) Anyone that wants to run a bot or new tasks for an existing bot (automated or semi-automated tasks) must submit a request to the bot approval group (BAG). Others are free to comment on the request, in additi

Re: [Talk-us] A Friendly Guide to 'Bots and Imports

2010-08-06 Thread Kevin Atkinson
On Fri, 6 Aug 2010, Serge Wroclawski wrote: On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Kevin Atkinson wrote: On Fri, 6 Aug 2010, Serge Wroclawski wrote: 2. I think widespread "bot fixes" should be encouraged to wait 10 days. It's just too easy to make a large change and too hard to fix it. I'd also sug

Re: [Talk-us] Rendering of semicolon delimited values (WAS: Would Like To Clean Salt Lake City Street Names)

2010-08-06 Thread Alan Mintz
At 2010-08-06 08:17, Craig Hinners wrote: ... In my experience, Mapnik renders the semicolon as-is, rather than creating a shield/marker for each individual route number. This seems to me to be an important gap in rendering, and not just highway shields. Semicolon-delimited values have been an

Re: [Talk-us] A Friendly Guide to 'Bots and Imports

2010-08-06 Thread Kevin Atkinson
On Fri, 6 Aug 2010, Katie Filbert wrote: 1) Anyone that wants to run a bot or new tasks for an existing bot (automated or semi-automated tasks) must submit a request to the bot approval group (BAG). Others are free to comment on the request, in addition to BAG. If I had too go though a formal

Re: [Talk-us] A Friendly Guide to 'Bots and Imports

2010-08-06 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Kevin Atkinson wrote: > On Fri, 6 Aug 2010, Serge Wroclawski wrote: > >> 2. I think widespread "bot fixes" should be encouraged to wait 10 >> days. It's just too easy to make a large change and too hard to fix >> it. I'd also suggest that we (as a community) develop

Re: [Talk-us] A Friendly Guide to 'Bots and Imports

2010-08-06 Thread Kevin Atkinson
On Fri, 6 Aug 2010, Serge Wroclawski wrote: 2. I think widespread "bot fixes" should be encouraged to wait 10 days. It's just too easy to make a large change and too hard to fix it. I'd also suggest that we (as a community) develop tools to make it easier to demonstrate what an import or bot wou

Re: [Talk-us] How to get college students involved?

2010-08-06 Thread Richard Weait
On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Stefan Brandle wrote: > On 8/6/10 1:43 PM, Katie Filbert wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Stefan Brandle > wrote: >> >>  Hi. The following may be outside your time and interest scope, but I am >> interested in hearing from anybody who is willing to nibble

Re: [Talk-us] How to get college students involved?

2010-08-06 Thread Randal Hale
Greetings, One of the things I've done is work with a local High School and introduced them to OSM through Mapzen. Mapzen is comparable to potlatch. Use mapzen and use the wiki to look up the things you're putting in - i.e. - parking lots. Look at all the tags/things that can go into that -

Re: [Talk-us] How to get college students involved?

2010-08-06 Thread Alan Millar
On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 10:51 AM, Stefan Brandle wrote: >I suspect that reading all available documentation might be a good > start. :-) > It might, but it also might get you bogged down too. Two years into this myself, I'm still uncovering corners of "all available" that I didn't know were

Re: [Talk-us] How to get college students involved?

2010-08-06 Thread Stefan Brandle
On 8/6/10 1:43 PM, Katie Filbert wrote: > On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Stefan Brandle > mailto:sbran...@cse.taylor.edu>> wrote: > > Hi. The following may be outside your time and interest scope, > but I am > interested in hearing from anybody who is willing to nibble on my > re

Re: [Talk-us] How to get college students involved?

2010-08-06 Thread Mike N.
I teach computer science at a university about half way between Indianapolis and Ft. Wayne. I would love to have someone show us how to get involved mapping precise data locally and submitting it to various online data sets, or working on software that is helpful to OSM and others. We have student

Re: [Talk-us] Rendering of semicolon delimited values (WAS: Would Like To Clean Salt Lake City Street Names)

2010-08-06 Thread Lennard
On 6-8-2010 17:30, Nathan Edgars II wrote: It's easy enough to fix in the renderer. If you put semicolons in the name=* tag for a highway=motorway_junction Mapnik now replaces it with a line break; something similar could be done for ref tags. It could, but that won't exactly look pretty on a

Re: [Talk-us] How to get college students involved?

2010-08-06 Thread Katie Filbert
On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Stefan Brandle wrote: > Hi. The following may be outside your time and interest scope, but I am > interested in hearing from anybody who is willing to nibble on my > requests. I have never actually done any mapping work, but joined this > list and lurked with the h

Re: [Talk-us] A Friendly Guide to 'Bots and Imports

2010-08-06 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Good to see your comments getting through Katie (I was one of the people who didn't get your emails before). On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Katie Filbert wrote: > On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 9:11 AM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: >> >> Moving away from discussions of specific imports, I'd like to explore

[Talk-us] How to get college students involved?

2010-08-06 Thread Stefan Brandle
Hi. The following may be outside your time and interest scope, but I am interested in hearing from anybody who is willing to nibble on my requests. I have never actually done any mapping work, but joined this list and lurked with the hope of starting to learn about the tools and issues. I teach c

[Talk-us] Colorado OSM meetup on Aug 24th

2010-08-06 Thread SteveC
More info here http://www.meetup.com/OSM-Colorado/calendar/14338554/ Steve stevecoast.com ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] A Friendly Guide to 'Bots and Imports

2010-08-06 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 6 Aug 2010, at 1:45 , Nathan Edgars II wrote: > On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 3:50 AM, Apollinaris Schoell > wrote: >> >> On 5 Aug 2010, at 14:43 , Alan Mintz wrote: >>> >>> As I manually survey various features (POIs, some hydro, etc.), I usually >>> try to merge in the data from existing impor

Re: [Talk-us] A Friendly Guide to 'Bots and Imports

2010-08-06 Thread Katie Filbert
On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 9:11 AM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: > Moving away from discussions of specific imports, I'd like to explore > what people think about a few areas of this discussion: > > 1) When someone says "I want to import X", what should our first response > be? > The nature of OSM with f

Re: [Talk-us] Rendering of semicolon delimited values (WAS: Would Like To Clean Salt Lake City Street Names)

2010-08-06 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Craig Hinners wrote: >> From: Kevin Atkinson >> If a stretch of road has multiple numbered route, a semi-colon >> should be used to separate them and I believe that the render _will_ >> recognize those. > > In my experience, Mapnik renders the semicolon as-is, rat

[Talk-us] Rendering of semicolon delimited values (WAS: Would Like To Clean Salt Lake City Street Names)

2010-08-06 Thread Craig Hinners
> From: Kevin Atkinson > If a stretch of road has multiple numbered route, a semi-colon > should be used to separate them and I believe that the render _will_ > recognize those. In my experience, Mapnik renders the semicolon as-is, rather than creating a shield/marker for each individual route nu

Re: [Talk-us] A Friendly Guide to 'Bots and Imports

2010-08-06 Thread Emilie Laffray
On 5 August 2010 20:27, Ian Dees wrote: > On Sat, Jan 8, 2000 at 3:20 PM, Katie Filbert wrote: > >> The difference with NHD is that we are leaving conversion to osm format >> for the local mapper / importer. Since OSM US has server space, maybe >> that's good use of it to host converted data re

Re: [Talk-us] A Friendly Guide to 'Bots and Imports

2010-08-06 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Moving away from discussions of specific imports, I'd like to explore what people think about a few areas of this discussion: 1) When someone says "I want to import X", what should our first response be? 2) When someone points out a widespread problem (such as the Salt Lake City addresses), how d

Re: [Talk-us] A Friendly Guide to 'Bots and Imports

2010-08-06 Thread James U
On Thursday, August 05, 2010 06:32:04 pm you wrote: > On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 6:10 PM, James U wrote: > > I have to say that after importing a large amount of NHD data (most of NC > > and MN) that it is of varying quality, as was the preexisting water > > related data already on the server. In g

[Talk-us] BoF Sessions at SOTM US

2010-08-06 Thread Serge Wroclawski
We're just over a week away from SOTM US and there's already talk about BoF sessions, so I wanted to bring this up to the larger audience. A BoF session, if you're not familiar, is a Birds of a Feather session, and it's a gathering of people in the same position, or at least who have the same inte

[Talk-us] OpenStreetMap BOF at Debconf10: Saturday at 14:00 in NYC

2010-08-06 Thread Blars Blarson
DebConf is the Debian Linux Developers/users convention. This year it is in the US for the first time, at Columbia University in New York City. I've scheduled an OpenStreetMap BOF (discussion) for Saturday at 14:00 (2 pm) in Shapiro 414. You can take the 1 subway to 116th St in Manhatten and ent

Re: [Talk-us] A Friendly Guide to 'Bots and Imports

2010-08-06 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 3:50 AM, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: > > On 5 Aug 2010, at 14:43 , Alan Mintz wrote: >> >> As I manually survey various features (POIs, some hydro, etc.), I usually >> try to merge in the data from existing imports so as to maintain the link >> (e.g. gnis:feature_id) back t

Re: [Talk-us] A Friendly Guide to 'Bots and Imports

2010-08-06 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 5 Aug 2010, at 14:43 , Alan Mintz wrote: > At 2010-08-05 11:52, Ian Dees wrote: >> ... >> It isn't any different. I had made the (bad) decision at the time to import >> over any existing data because in the several hundred places I spot-checked, >> NHD was vastly superior in resolution (and