To add some hard numbers to this discussion, here is a very rough
count although I'm not entirely sure what it means. I downloaded all
ways with a ref tag in the lower 48 states and did some filtering.
Basically I took the first split in awk (so everything from the
beginning to the first space if t
I created a table of most of the different state-level route markers
(not counting West Virginia's "county routes", which are actually
state-maintained): http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:NE2/routes
This can be used as a basis for a table of abbreviations.
On Sat, 2011-08-20 at 09:32 -0500, Toby Murray wrote:
> I have noticed that Mapquest prefers to only display numbers in their
> state highway shields and they are actively looking for state postal
> codes and stripping them off. So apparently the convention of using
> state postal codes is well en
On 8/20/2011 3:29 PM, Val Kartchner wrote:
Because some states officially designate the road as "SR-26", for
instance.
Not to mention states like Texas, which have, for example:
State Highway (SH) 121
Loop 12
Spur 408
Beltway 8
Farm to Market Road (FM) 1960
Park Road (PR) 27
and probably a few
On 8/20/2011 2:56 PM, Phil! Gold wrote:
* Nathan Edgars II [2011-08-20 14:24 -0400]:
I agree with this, and will abide by any reasonable consistent convention.
The wiki has long recommended using the two-letter state abbreviation, a
space, and the number. Is there any problem with continuing
On Sat, 2011-08-20 at 14:56 -0400, Phil! Gold wrote:
> * Nathan Edgars II [2011-08-20 14:24 -0400]:
> > I agree with this, and will abide by any reasonable consistent convention.
>
> The wiki has long recommended using the two-letter state abbreviation, a
> space, and the number. Is there any pr
* Nathan Edgars II [2011-08-20 14:24 -0400]:
> I agree with this, and will abide by any reasonable consistent convention.
The wiki has long recommended using the two-letter state abbreviation, a
space, and the number. Is there any problem with continuing to use this
approach? (Aside from someho
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 8:41 PM, Toby Murray wrote:
>
> with because their highway system is simpler. All I'm after in this
> case is data consistency for the US. Maybe we can sit down over a beer
> at SoTM next month and fix this once and for all? :)
>
>
Let's do! Who is going btw?
_
On 8/20/2011 2:41 PM, Toby Murray wrote:
I still see a lot of messages coming through about a network tag. This
tag is already used on route relations so I'm not sure why it is still
being discussed. The ref=* tag on ways is primarily just duplicating
data from the relation and tagging for the re
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 1:26 PM, Josh Doe wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Henk Hoff wrote:
>> On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 7:50 PM, Val Kartchner wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> And once we set "our" standard here in the US, how do we get it adopted
>>> world-wide?
>>>
>>> - Val -
>>>
>>
>> We're not he
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Henk Hoff wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 7:50 PM, Val Kartchner wrote:
>>
>>
>> And once we set "our" standard here in the US, how do we get it adopted
>> world-wide?
>>
>> - Val -
>>
>
> We're not here to dictate what the rest of the world needs to do. It's abo
On 8/20/2011 2:13 PM, Henk Hoff wrote:
The difference with the UK example is that there is a consistency: M1 =
M1. In the case of Arkansas we're talking about AR 26, Hwy 26 and
possibly in the future also 26. All being a ref for the same State
Highway. That is the problem.
I agree with this, an
Id sugest a tag for route system. ie ref=xxx
rtsys=usma etc and for route that are in multiple systems (ie I95 which is also
MA 128 for much of it in ma) you can add ref:sec and rtsys:sec.
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On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 7:53 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
> On 8/20/2011 1:50 PM, Val Kartchner wrote:
>
>>
>> And once we set "our" standard here in the US, how do we get it adopted
>> world-wide?
>>
>
> Exactly my point. Great Britain is fine with ref=M1 despite there being an
> M1 in many other
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 7:50 PM, Val Kartchner wrote:
>
>
> And once we set "our" standard here in the US, how do we get it adopted
> world-wide?
>
> - Val -
>
>
We're not here to dictate what the rest of the world needs to do. It's about
uniformity within a country. Otherwise you're just getting
On 8/20/2011 1:50 PM, Val Kartchner wrote:
On Sat, 2011-08-20 at 13:39 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
Meaning? How would you add more detail? US:MA:2? US:FL:ORA:535? UK:GB:M1?
And once we set "our" standard here in the US, how do we get it adopted
world-wide?
Exactly my point. Great Britain
On Sat, 2011-08-20 at 13:39 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
> On 8/20/2011 1:29 PM, Metcalf, Calvin (DOT) wrote:
> > From: "Nathan Edgars II"
> >> On 8/20/2011 12:42 PM, Metcalf, Calvin (DOT) wrote:
> >>> It doesn't matter if a state like MA uses SR internally we just use that
> >>> because we deal
On Sat, 2011-08-20 at 09:29 -0700, Dave Hansen wrote:
> On Sat, 2011-08-20 at 12:16 -0400, Josh Doe wrote:
> > I'd say the first order of business is to create a listing of what
> > each state uses, whether it be "SR 123" or "VA 123".
>
> I also do some work on open-source software projects. Whe
On 8/20/2011 1:29 PM, Metcalf, Calvin (DOT) wrote:
From: "Nathan Edgars II"
On 8/20/2011 12:42 PM, Metcalf, Calvin (DOT) wrote:
It doesn't matter if a state like MA uses SR internally we just use that
because we deal with only one states routes. Postal code prefixes for all
routes makes the
We don't deal with other states so we don't distinguish so in a international
contect you'd need to add more detail
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On 8/20/2011 12:42 PM, Metcalf, Calvin (DOT) wrote:
It doesn't matter if a state like MA uses SR internally we just use that
because we deal with only one states routes. Postal code prefixes for all
routes makes the most sense.
So how do you distinguish California from Canada? Or Delaware fr
It doesn't matter if a state like MA uses SR internally we just use that
because we deal with only one states routes. Postal code prefixes for all
routes makes the most sense.
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On Sat, 2011-08-20 at 12:16 -0400, Josh Doe wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Val Kartchner wrote:
> > Because of the international nature of this project, we need to include
> > the country as well.
>
> Whatever we do, can we please have a vote on it? I know votes aren't
> binding, but
On Sat, 2011-08-20 at 12:16 -0400, Josh Doe wrote:
> I'd say the first order of business is to create a listing of what
> each state uses, whether it be "SR 123" or "VA 123".
I also do some work on open-source software projects. When you add new
code, you at least make it _consistent_ with what'
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Val Kartchner wrote:
> On Sat, 2011-08-20 at 07:52 -0400, Peter Dobratz wrote:
>> On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 6:04 AM, Henk Hoff wrote:
>> > To my understanding our tagging-standard for State Highways is [STATE]
>> > [NUMBER]
>> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/U
On 8/20/2011 6:04 AM, Henk Hoff wrote:
User Nathan Edgars is now changing all State Highway ref-tags in
Arkansas from AR ## to Hwy ##
False. I'm using Hwy x on ways that lacked ref tags.
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On 8/20/2011 12:01 PM, Val Kartchner wrote:
What about another field for the network. For instance "US:UT:SR" for
Utah State Routes then the "ref" tag will be just the number. I'd like
to put it all into the "ref" field, but the renderers just don't parse
this field and render the whole string.
On Sat, 2011-08-20 at 07:52 -0400, Peter Dobratz wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 6:04 AM, Henk Hoff wrote:
> > To my understanding our tagging-standard for State Highways is [STATE]
> > [NUMBER]
> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_roads_tagging#State_Highways
>
> I agree that we
Before I was too swamped with other stuff to do much OSM work, I was
using "AR XX" and "OK XX". We've had this discussion before, though. My
contention is and was that the state prefix is necessary because there
are cases of ways belonging to two different networks "in" (not
physically, but lo
the issue there is that state route numbers along w/ 3 digit interstate spurs
and beltways are only unique within a state and within a system. i.e. does
ref=128 refer to the ma state oute thhe state route somewwhere else ror the
first spur off I28
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The network tag and number only in ref is correct for the route
relation but I think the question was about the member ways where I
haven't seen this scheme used.
I use "KS XX" on ways. I think whatever we do, it should be consistent
across the US. I think "Hwy" is about the most ambiguous option
On Aug 20, 2011, at 9:03 AM, Richard Weait wrote:
"On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 6:04 AM, Henk Hoff
wrote:
Hi all,
To my understanding our tagging-standard for State Highways is
[STATE]
[NUMBER]
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_roads_tagging#State_Highways
User NE[2|3] is now
"On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 6:04 AM, Henk Hoff wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> To my understanding our tagging-standard for State Highways is [STATE]
> [NUMBER]
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_roads_tagging#State_Highways
>
> User NE[2|3] is now changing all State Highway ref-tags in
> arkan
On 8/20/11 7:52 AM, Peter Dobratz wrote:
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 6:04 AM, Henk Hoff wrote:
To my understanding our tagging-standard for State Highways is [STATE]
[NUMBER]
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_roads_tagging#State_Highways
I agree that we should use the standard 2-let
Thats because in MA its based on internal data whhich refers to them as State
Routes. When you end up starting to fix the ma routess I can update the road
inv for MA on the massDOT wiki page
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On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 6:04 AM, Henk Hoff wrote:
> To my understanding our tagging-standard for State Highways is [STATE]
> [NUMBER]
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_roads_tagging#State_Highways
I agree that we should use the standard 2-letter state abbreviation
and then the nu
Hi all,
To my understanding our tagging-standard for State Highways is [STATE]
[NUMBER]
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_roads_tagging#State_Highways
User Nathan Edgars is now changing all State Highway ref-tags in Arkansas
from AR ## to Hwy ##
Examples:
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