Re: [Talk-us] Complete Addresseses (Was: What does the community want from a US local chapter?)

2011-09-30 Thread Val Kartchner
On Fri, 2011-09-30 at 19:47 -0400, Serge Wroclawski wrote: > My experience is that lack of complete addresses is a larger issue. I've been thinking of posting about this for a few weeks: I know that it would be better to have all of the delivery points listed on streets, but this takes a lot of ti

Re: [Talk-us] What does the community want from a US local chapter?

2011-09-30 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 9/30/2011 7:37 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote: What if anything can we learn from Wikipedia? That consensus is very hard to reach :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:State_route_naming_conventions_poll/Account ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@op

Re: [Talk-us] What does the community want from a US local chapter?

2011-09-30 Thread TC Haddad
If it hasn't been mentioned already, I think you should add "help to organize SOTM-US each year" (or whatever time interval is appropriate). Tanya On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 7:25 AM, Richard Weait wrote: I'd like to see more discussion and guidance for the US local chapter. > > So, questions for t

Re: [Talk-us] What does the community want from a US local chapter?

2011-09-30 Thread Toby Murray
To take this thread in completely different direction... I would like to see just a little bit of "official" legalese posted somewhere that I can point to when I go to contact someone about using data in OSM. Specifically I'm thinking about local/state governments that I have contacted and asked

Re: [Talk-us] What does the community want from a US local chapter?

2011-09-30 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Mike N wrote: > On 9/30/2011 2:23 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: >> >> Really? Are there people who say "I'd rather not map because there is no >> consensus on the roads tagging"? Are those people the 20,000 missing >> mappers in the US? > >  It is more like "I don't see

Re: [Talk-us] What does the community want from a US local chapter?

2011-09-30 Thread Martijn van Exel
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 2:26 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Frederik Ramm wrote: >> Really? Are there people who say "I'd rather not map because there is >> no consensus on the roads tagging"? Are those people the 20,000 >> missing mappers in the US? > > I don't think it's all 20,000, no. :) But i

Re: [Talk-us] What does the community want from a US local chapter?

2011-09-30 Thread Paul Norman
> -Original Message- > From: Nathan Edgars II [mailto:nerou...@gmail.com] > On 9/30/2011 1:48 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > >I think > > you could make a case that OSM in the US is being held back by the > >community's failure to agree on a common tagging scheme for roads > >(about five y

Re: [Talk-us] What does the community want from a US local chapter?

2011-09-30 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 9/30/2011 1:48 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: I think you could make a case that OSM in the US is being held back by the community's failure to agree on a common tagging scheme for roads (about five years after every other country settled on one, and with no sign of it being resolved any time so

Re: [Talk-us] What does the community want from a US local chapter?

2011-09-30 Thread Richard Weait
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Ian Dees wrote: [ ... ] > This is an interesting thread, but I don't think we need to have a > discussion about tagging consistency on this thread. > Consider "Advocate for tagging (especially highway) consistency" added to > the list of things a US chapter should

Re: [Talk-us] What does the community want from a US local chapter?

2011-09-30 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Frederik Ramm wrote: > Really? Are there people who say "I'd rather not map because there is > no consensus on the roads tagging"? Are those people the 20,000 > missing mappers in the US? I don't think it's all 20,000, no. :) But it's certainly significant and it is - correction, it _should_ be

Re: [Talk-us] What does the community want from a US local chapter?

2011-09-30 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 09/30/2011 08:36 PM, Mike N wrote: Really? Are there people who say "I'd rather not map because there is no consensus on the roads tagging"? Are those people the 20,000 missing mappers in the US? It is more like "I don't see anyone using the map except for Skobbler, so why should I inve

Re: [Talk-us] What does the community want from a US local chapter?

2011-09-30 Thread Brad Neuhauser
Brian, just to save you the trouble, the closest there is to a standard is the FHWA Highway Functional Classification System. There's a wiki page [1] and lengthy discussion about its pros and cons on this page if you want to wade through [2]. Definitely would be a new thread if you want to contin

Re: [Talk-us] What does the community want from a US local chapter?

2011-09-30 Thread Ian Dees
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Brian Wilson wrote: > > Personally I'd think a per-state consensus would already be quite good. > > Greece and Norway use different tagging schemes - so why would anyone be > "held back" if Texas uses something other than Alaska? > > Simply put, Greece and Norway

Re: [Talk-us] What does the community want from a US local chapter?

2011-09-30 Thread Brian Wilson
> Personally I'd think a per-state consensus would already be quite good. > Greece and Norway use different tagging schemes - so why would anyone be > "held back" if Texas uses something other than Alaska? Simply put, Greece and Norway are different countries. When I drive across the border into

Re: [Talk-us] What does the community want from a US local chapter?

2011-09-30 Thread Mike N
On 9/30/2011 2:23 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Really? Are there people who say "I'd rather not map because there is no consensus on the roads tagging"? Are those people the 20,000 missing mappers in the US? It is more like "I don't see anyone using the map except for Skobbler, so why should I

Re: [Talk-us] What does the community want from a US local chapter?

2011-09-30 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 09/30/2011 07:48 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: I think you could make a case that OSM in the US is being held back by the community's failure to agree on a common tagging scheme for roads Really? Are there people who say "I'd rather not map because there is no consensus on the roads tag

Re: [Talk-us] What does the community want from a US local chapter?

2011-09-30 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Peter Dobratz wrote: > Yes, OSMF US shouldn't mandate a certain tagging scheme, > but they could certainly help to facilitate a consensus among > the community. I'm definitely of the "small government" party for what OSMF (and by extension local chapters) should do. But one of the roles of OSM

Re: [Talk-us] What does the community want from a US local chapter?

2011-09-30 Thread Martijn van Exel
How do you think the Chapter should do that? Organize a working group? An (online) event? A vote of some kind? Martijn On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Peter Dobratz wrote: > Yes, OSMF US shouldn't mandate a certain tagging scheme, but they > could certainly help to facilitate a consensus among

Re: [Talk-us] What does the community want from a US local chapter?

2011-09-30 Thread Peter Dobratz
Yes, OSMF US shouldn't mandate a certain tagging scheme, but they could certainly help to facilitate a consensus among the community. Peter On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote: > I believe that the core tasks of the US Chapter should be 1) to > support and help grow the commu

Re: [Talk-us] What does the community want from a US local chapter?

2011-09-30 Thread Martijn van Exel
I believe that the core tasks of the US Chapter should be 1) to support and help grow the community, and 2) engage with existing and potential professional users to stimulate awareness and adoption. Defining the map itself should not be among them, this is and should always be a community effort, e

Re: [Talk-us] What does the community want from a US local chapter?

2011-09-30 Thread Peter Dobratz
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:25 AM, Richard Weait wrote: > 1) What would you like to see the US local chapter do? Come up with a consistent way to tag roads for the country. Somehow get a consensus from current mappers about how tag US/state/county/whatever highways. Update this page http://wiki

Re: [Talk-us] East Coast Greenway

2011-09-30 Thread James Umbanhowar
> Is there a place on the wiki where this is spelled out or at least an area > of the country I can use as a reference ? > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cycle_routes#United_States http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_US_Bike_Route_System For Hiking trails: http://wiki.openstreetm

[Talk-us] What does the community want from a US local chapter?

2011-09-30 Thread Richard Weait
I'd like to see more discussion and guidance for the US local chapter. So, questions for the community: 1) What would you like to see the US local chapter do? 2) Why should this be done by the local chapter, and not by individual mappers? 3) Why should this be done by the local chapter and not

Re: [Talk-us] East Coast Greenway

2011-09-30 Thread Metcalf, Calvin (DOT)
Is there a place on the wiki where this is spelled out or at least an area of the country I can use as a reference ? >-Original Message- >From: James Umbanhowar [mailto:jumba...@gmail.com] >Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 8:44 AM >To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org >Subject: Re: [Talk-us] E

Re: [Talk-us] East Coast Greenway

2011-09-30 Thread James Umbanhowar
On Friday, September 30, 2011 07:51:39 AM Metcalf, Calvin (DOT) wrote: > I'm actually in the process of doing this for MA and was trying to figure > out the correct tagging, I take it in the US we don't use the local > regional national bike route scheme? > As far as I can tell, there seems to b

Re: [Talk-us] East Coast Greenway

2011-09-30 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 9/30/2011 7:51 AM, Metcalf, Calvin (DOT) wrote: I'm actually in the process of doing this for MA and was trying to figure out the correct tagging, I take it in the US we don't use the local regional national bike route scheme? We do, but I don't know if I'd say that the ECG fits into it.

Re: [Talk-us] East Coast Greenway

2011-09-30 Thread Metcalf, Calvin (DOT)
I'm actually in the process of doing this for MA and was trying to figure out the correct tagging, I take it in the US we don't use the local regional national bike route scheme? >-Original Message- >From: Nathan Edgars II [mailto:nerou...@gmail.com] >Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 1