Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 7 May 2012 22:28, Nathan Mills wrote: > So this is not/should not be a mini_roundabout? It seems a little silly to > call it anything else, since the city just dug a hole in the center of the > existing intersection, built a circular curb, and planted a tree: > > http://g.co/maps/e2gsv > > What

Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread Toby Murray
I just downloaded all highway=mini_roundabout nodes and just browsed around a bit comparing the nodes to Bing imagery. There are a *lot* of turning circles tagged as mini roundabouts. And not just in North America. Some of them are turning circles with an island in the middle but many of them are s

Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread Paul Norman
The first two would unquestionably be tagged with highway=mini_roundabout up here. > From: Nathan Mills [mailto:nat...@nwacg.net] > Subject: Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted > > So this is not/should not be a mini_roundabout? It seems a little silly > to call it anything else

Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
The problem seems to be that mappers needed a tag for a small roundabout on a node. Since all that was available was mini_roundabout, that's what we used. Had there been another tag, e.g. highway=roundabout, we wouldn't have this discussion. But mini_roundabout is now in use for a large number

Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread Apollinaris Schöll
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Nathan Mills wrote: > So this is not/should not be a mini_roundabout? It seems a little silly to > call it anything else, since the city just dug a hole in the center of the > existing intersection, built a circular curb, and planted a tree: > > http://g.co/maps/e2

Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 2:07 PM, Nathan Mills wrote: > On 5/7/2012 3:30 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: >> >> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Nathan Mills  wrote: >>> >>> http://g.co/maps/hnbp9 >> >> All three are roundabouts, yes. > > How are you going to properly map the first one? There is no channeliza

Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread Nathan Mills
On 5/7/2012 3:30 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Nathan Mills wrote: http://g.co/maps/hnbp9 All three are roundabouts, yes. How are you going to properly map the first one? There is no channelization or anything that makes the intersection circular. The curbs at the

Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/7/2012 4:28 PM, Nathan Mills wrote: So this is not/should not be a mini_roundabout? It seems a little silly to call it anything else, since the city just dug a hole in the center of the existing intersection, built a circular curb, and planted a tree: http://g.co/maps/e2gsv Even sillier:

Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Nathan Mills wrote: > So this is not/should not be a mini_roundabout? It seems a little silly to > call it anything else, since the city just dug a hole in the center of the > existing intersection, built a circular curb, and planted a tree: > > http://g.co/maps/e2g

Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread Nathan Mills
So this is not/should not be a mini_roundabout? It seems a little silly to call it anything else, since the city just dug a hole in the center of the existing intersection, built a circular curb, and planted a tree: http://g.co/maps/e2gsv What about this one? Also a full on roundabout? http:/

Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread Charlotte Wolter
Paul, It looks like a manhole cover (albeit a rather nice one). Are you sure it's a miniroundabout? :-) Charlotte At 06:46 AM 5/7/2012, you wrote: This one surprised me, was pretty sure that the US didn't have real mini roundabouts, but I just spotted one in Burien, WA. http://g.co/

Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread Paul Johnson
>> So, you're suggesting we stop mapping nontraversable, hard medians? >> Because that's what it sounds like. > > > Get your ears checked. Not necessary, I'm not the one suggesting node tagging is a substitute for mapping a nontraversible median. ___ Tal

Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/7/2012 1:16 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 10:14 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 5/7/2012 1:02 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: Still, the diverging use overlaps improperly with the actual roundabout correctly as a ring using junction=roundabout. ;o) You're assuming that each re

Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 10:14 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > On 5/7/2012 1:02 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: >> >> Still, the diverging use overlaps improperly with the actual >> roundabout correctly as a ring using junction=roundabout. ;o) > > > You're assuming that each real-world situation has only one

Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/7/2012 1:02 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: Still, the diverging use overlaps improperly with the actual roundabout correctly as a ring using junction=roundabout. ;o) You're assuming that each real-world situation has only one correct way of mapping.

Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > On 5/7/2012 12:41 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: >> >> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 8:05 AM, Nathan Edgars II >>  wrote: >> >>> It vaults right over any supposed definition of mini-roundabout. >> >> >> I suppose if you ignored the whole traversability o

Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/7/2012 12:41 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 8:05 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: It vaults right over any supposed definition of mini-roundabout. I suppose if you ignored the whole traversability or vertical clearance requirements the wiki's had since the tag was created in

Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 8:05 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > It vaults right over any supposed definition of mini-roundabout. I suppose if you ignored the whole traversability or vertical clearance requirements the wiki's had since the tag was created in the wiki, sure. ___

Re: [Talk-us] State Of The Map US 2012 - Portland, Oregon - 13/14 October

2012-05-07 Thread Mike N
On 5/7/2012 11:33 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: We (the OSM US Chapter Board) are extremely excited to officially announce SOTM US 2012! We told you a while ago that it was going to be Portland, Ore., but we finally ironed out all the details. So here it is: This is great to see in a city that i

Re: [Talk-us] State Of The Map US 2012 - Portland, Oregon - 13/14 October

2012-05-07 Thread Martijn van Exel
Hi, On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 9:33 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: [...] > http://www.stateofthemap.us/ [...] It's being fixed but for now, ditch the www part. Label me an internet paleo.. So: stateofthemap.us -- martijn van exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com

Re: [Talk-us] State Of The Map US 2012 - Portland, Oregon - 13/14 October

2012-05-07 Thread Clifford Snow
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 8:33 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: > Hi all, > > We (the OSM US Chapter Board) are extremely excited to officially > announce SOTM US 2012! We told you a while ago that it was going to be > Portland, Ore., but we finally ironed out all the details. So here it > is: > > State

[Talk-us] State Of The Map US 2012 - Portland, Oregon - 13/14 October

2012-05-07 Thread Martijn van Exel
Hi all, We (the OSM US Chapter Board) are extremely excited to officially announce SOTM US 2012! We told you a while ago that it was going to be Portland, Ore., but we finally ironed out all the details. So here it is: State Of The Map US 2012 October 13-14, 2012 Oregon Convention Center Portland

Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/7/2012 11:02 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: On May 7, 2012 7:06 AM, "Nathan Edgars II" mailto:nerou...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > On 5/7/2012 9:59 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: >> >> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 6:51 AM, Ian Deesmailto:ian.d...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> I've mapped dozens of these as mini

Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread James Umbanhowar
On Monday, May 07, 2012 10:06:04 AM Nathan Edgars II wrote: > On 5/7/2012 9:59 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: > > On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 6:51 AM, Ian Dees wrote: > >> I've mapped dozens of these as miniroundabouts in the midwest: > >> http://g.co/maps/w7mnr > > > > That's not a mini, though, since you c

Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread Paul Johnson
On May 7, 2012 7:06 AM, "Nathan Edgars II" wrote: > > On 5/7/2012 9:59 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: >> >> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 6:51 AM, Ian Dees wrote: >>> >>> I've mapped dozens of these as miniroundabouts in the midwest: >>> http://g.co/maps/w7mnr >> >> >> That's not a mini, though, since you can'

Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread James Umbanhowar
On Monday, May 07, 2012 10:06:04 AM Nathan Edgars II wrote: > On 5/7/2012 9:59 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: > > On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 6:51 AM, Ian Dees wrote: > >> I've mapped dozens of these as miniroundabouts in the midwest: > >> http://g.co/maps/w7mnr > > > > That's not a mini, though, since you c

Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/7/2012 10:03 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 6:59 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Same here. I'm ignoring this "wiki-fiddling": http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:highway%3Dmini_roundabout&diff=747981&oldid=689543 Both edits you mention seem to agree that the

Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/7/2012 9:59 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 6:51 AM, Ian Dees wrote: I've mapped dozens of these as miniroundabouts in the midwest: http://g.co/maps/w7mnr That's not a mini, though, since you can't just drive over the island. And highway=motorways aren't restricted to mo

Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 6:59 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > Same here. I'm ignoring this "wiki-fiddling": > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:highway%3Dmini_roundabout&diff=747981&oldid=689543 Both edits you mention seem to agree that the island is traversable in a mini roundabou

Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 6:51 AM, Ian Dees wrote: > I've mapped dozens of these as miniroundabouts in the midwest: > http://g.co/maps/w7mnr That's not a mini, though, since you can't just drive over the island. Here's an eponymous example of a mini roundabout: http://goo.gl/6Qswf

Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/7/2012 9:51 AM, Ian Dees wrote: On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 8:46 AM, Paul Johnson mailto:ba...@ursamundi.org>> wrote: This one surprised me, was pretty sure that the US didn't have real mini roundabouts, but I just spotted one in Burien, WA. http://g.co/maps/afh8m I've mapped dozen

Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread Ian Dees
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 8:46 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: > This one surprised me, was pretty sure that the US didn't have real > mini roundabouts, but I just spotted one in Burien, WA. > http://g.co/maps/afh8m I've mapped dozens of these as miniroundabouts in the midwest: http://g.co/maps/w7mnr

[Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread Paul Johnson
This one surprised me, was pretty sure that the US didn't have real mini roundabouts, but I just spotted one in Burien, WA. http://g.co/maps/afh8m ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us