Re: [Talk-us] Cam4rd98 just doesn't get it

2013-06-26 Thread stevea
Bryce Nesbitt writes: Again, all I see is a well meaning user who very clearly is not yet absorbed OSM culture. There is no belligerence, just a bit of confusion. It is easy to slip into misunderstanding. Perhaps such gaffes can be chalked up to a sort of culture clash. These usually end

[Talk-us] Onboarding new mappers | Keeping track of changes

2013-06-26 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
Moved from another thread: On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 2:51 AM, stevea stevea...@softworkers.com wrote: OSM has a peer review process in place right now. It is called watch the map, help it evolve, grow it as you can, if somebody does something odd/wrong/different, dialog with them. And then,

Re: [Talk-us] Onboarding new mappers | Keeping track of changes

2013-06-26 Thread Ian Dees
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.comwrote: Moved from another thread: On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 2:51 AM, stevea stevea...@softworkers.com wrote: OSM has a peer review process in place right now. It is called watch the map, help it evolve, grow it as you can,

Re: [Talk-us] access restriction, water only: How to tag?

2013-06-26 Thread Paul Johnson
Access=no, boat=yes? On Jun 25, 2013 6:01 PM, Thomas Colson thomas_col...@nps.gov wrote: I’m tagging some camp sites as “boat=yes” to imply water access only, but I don’t think this is right. Is there a water-only access tag? ___ Talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging a super-two highway (trunk or motorway?)

2013-06-26 Thread Paul Johnson
On Jun 25, 2013 9:51 PM, Chris Lawrence lordsu...@gmail.com wrote: IMO the first criterion I'd look for is: does this road carry the same restrictions associated with a freeway in the state in question? For example, in many states, freeways have posted access restriction signs limiting use

Re: [Talk-us] Onboarding new mappers | Keeping track of changes

2013-06-26 Thread Charlotte Wolter
Bryce, Yes, most people sign up and never hear from OSM again. So they go about their mapping as best they can until, perhaps, they join the Newbies list (which often has highly technical discussions that many don't understand) or they get told they are doing something wrong.

Re: [Talk-us] Onboarding new mappers | Keeping track of changes

2013-06-26 Thread Russell Deffner
Charlotte, I don't disagree with: If an organization doesn't reach out to people in a positive way, they won't stay, and they won't do their best when mapping But the key here is, this is different. What organization is/represents OSM? And beyond, how can any organization say

Re: [Talk-us] Onboarding new mappers | Keeping track of changes

2013-06-26 Thread stevea
Good discussion! I regularly click on the History tab in a wide swath of Bay Area (my home turf) looking for new edits, and especially, new mappers. I virtually always make it a point to welcome new mappers in the area with something along the lines of great job, welcome to the community!

Re: [Talk-us] Onboarding new mappers | Keeping track of changes

2013-06-26 Thread Clay Smalley
I make an effort to welcome new mappers when I see them, but it's unrealistic to ensure every new mapper is onboarded this way. There needs to be a more formal process, and I like a lot of the ideas that have been presented. On Jun 26, 2013 12:54 PM, stevea stevea...@softworkers.com wrote: **

Re: [Talk-us] Onboarding new mappers | Keeping track of changes

2013-06-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/6/26 stevea stevea...@softworkers.com I regularly click on the History tab in a wide swath of Bay Area (my home turf) looking for new edits, and especially, new mappers. You might be interested in this ITTT recipe by Simone Cortesi, it is based on the RSS feed Pascal Neis creates, and

Re: [Talk-us] Onboarding new mappers | Keeping track of changes

2013-06-26 Thread Kathleen Danielson
How clever! +1 On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 4:30 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/6/26 stevea stevea...@softworkers.com I regularly click on the History tab in a wide swath of Bay Area (my home turf) looking for new edits, and especially, new mappers. You might be

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging a super-two highway (trunk or motorway?)

2013-06-26 Thread Richie Kennedy
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: On Jun 25, 2013 9:51 PM, Chris Lawrence lordsu...@gmail.com wrote: IMO the first criterion I'd look for is: does this road carry the same restrictions associated with a freeway in the state in question? For

Re: [Talk-us] Future Interstate Relations

2013-06-26 Thread James Mast
Wouldn't the Business routes of Interstates count as 'children'? From: m...@rtijn.org Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 10:07:52 -0600 To: ba...@ursamundi.org CC: rickmastfa...@hotmail.com; talk-us@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Future Interstate Relations But that would not apply to the

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging a super-two highway (trunk or motorway?)

2013-06-26 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 5:10 PM, Richie Kennedy richiekenned...@gmail.comwrote: In Kansas, Signs indicating access restrictions are posted on the on-ramps to interstates and some (but *not* all) non-interstate freeways. K-10, for instance, has posted access restrictions on the Douglas County

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging a super-two highway (trunk or motorway?)

2013-06-26 Thread Charlotte Wolter
Yes, and out west, where there are long lonely stretches of interstate, there seem to be places where bicycle access is allowed. I am thinking of I-40 east of Barslow, where another mapper (sorry, don't remember who) told me that it was correct after I asked him about it. Charlotte

Re: [Talk-us] Future Interstate Relations

2013-06-26 Thread Paul Johnson
That'd be modifier=Business, no? US:US has no lower level, unlike say, US:TX, which has US:TX:FM* or US:OK, which would also contain US:OK:Turnpike (Oklahoma's secondary toll highway system) or a county, like US:CA:San_Bernardino, or a city, like US:OK:Tulsa:Tulsa... On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging a super-two highway (trunk or motorway?)

2013-06-26 Thread Richie Kennedy
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 7:55 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: But that goes back to are we trying to be consistent within OSM, or are we trying to second guess the renderer to look like some other publisher's map? Or to put it another way, Why are we trying to tag for the renderer

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging a super-two highway (trunk or motorway?)

2013-06-26 Thread Paul Johnson
I get that, but looking at how the tag is documented ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Motorway), if it's not divded, it's not a motorway. Perhaps Richard or Phil could chime in again on whether it's time to update the wiki or update the tag. On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 8:12 PM, Richie Kennedy

Re: [Talk-us] Future Interstate Relations

2013-06-26 Thread James Mast
I thought the modifier would be the type of Business route? Remember, we do have Business Spurs and Business Loops for Interstate highways. Sometimes both types in the same city. -James Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 20:06:58 -0500 From: ba...@ursamundi.org To: rickmastfa...@hotmail.com CC:

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging a super-two highway (trunk or motorway?)

2013-06-26 Thread Richie Kennedy
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 8:35 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: I get that, but looking at how the tag is documented ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Motorway), if it's not divded, it's not a motorway. Perhaps Richard or Phil could chime in again on whether it's time to update

Re: [Talk-us] Future Interstate Relations

2013-06-26 Thread Paul Johnson
Modifier would be able to handle both situations, but is there a situation where a business loop or spur with the same number meet that would necessitate getting to that level of specificity? On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 9:34 PM, James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.comwrote: I thought the modifier

Re: [Talk-us] Future Interstate Relations

2013-06-26 Thread James Mast
There are two Interstate Business Routes in Winslow, AZ for I-40 that intersect each other. I-40 Business Spur http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1933534 I-40 Business Loop http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1933535 -James Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 21:41:06 -0500 From:

Re: [Talk-us] Future Interstate Relations

2013-06-26 Thread Paul Johnson
Looks like the spur extends the loop, I'm not sure I'd differentiate them in modifier, but might in the description. A little surprised I didn't catch that, though to be fair, I was more closely trying to follow Historic US 66 trailblazers last time I was there (I'm too lazy to look over my old