Re: [Talk-us] Anyone ever talked about adding more Land Ownership data to OSM?

2013-01-10 Thread Minh Nguyen
Ngày 2013-01-09 5:30 AM, Kevin Kenny viết: On 01/09/2013 03:24 AM, Minh Nguyen wrote: While filling in townships in the Greater Cincinnati area, I've also been working on TIGER's rather artful interpretation of the area's municipal boundaries, motivated by the Mapnik style's prominent

Re: [Talk-us] Anyone ever talked about adding more Land Ownership data to OSM?

2013-01-09 Thread Kate Chapman
On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 8:27 PM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 1:43 AM, Michael Patrick geodes...@gmail.com wrote: There are already communities around Disaster Relief, etc., and good etiquette would dictate that I wouldn't go in and edit their data. You

Re: [Talk-us] Anyone ever talked about adding more Land Ownership data to OSM?

2013-01-09 Thread Minh Nguyen
On 2013-01-08 3:13 AM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 12:40 AM, Jeff Meyer j...@gwhat.org wrote: All of the rules about observability and verifiability apply to country and state borders, as well, as Mike states, but we include them and somehow improve them. We do include

Re: [Talk-us] Anyone ever talked about adding more Land Ownership data to OSM?

2013-01-09 Thread Kevin Kenny
On 01/09/2013 03:24 AM, Minh Nguyen wrote: While filling in townships in the Greater Cincinnati area, I've also been working on TIGER's rather artful interpretation of the area's municipal boundaries, motivated by the Mapnik style's prominent rendering of them. The boundaries are full of things

Re: [Talk-us] Anyone ever talked about adding more Land Ownership data to OSM?

2013-01-09 Thread Greg Troxel
Kevin Kenny kken...@nycap.rr.com writes: On 01/09/2013 03:24 AM, Minh Nguyen wrote: While filling in townships in the Greater Cincinnati area, I've also been working on TIGER's rather artful interpretation of the area's municipal boundaries, motivated by the Mapnik style's prominent

Re: [Talk-us] Anyone ever talked about adding more Land Ownership data to OSM?

2013-01-09 Thread Richard Welty
On 1/9/13 8:30 AM, Kevin Kenny wrote: Around here, for municipal boundaries to cut diagonally through residential lots isn't uncommon. I once lived in a house where the front yard was in one township and the back yard in another. Two separate tax bills (although the second one was cheap because

Re: [Talk-us] Anyone ever talked about adding more Land Ownership data to OSM?

2013-01-08 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Toby Murray wrote: I think it would be great to make more tools support more external data sets as opposed to dumping *everything* into OSM. Yep. Absolutely. To my mind this is one of the really nice things about TileMill. I'm currently playing with it to render (UK) maps that combine OSM and

Re: [Talk-us] Anyone ever talked about adding more Land Ownership data to OSM?

2013-01-08 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 12:40 AM, Jeff Meyer j...@gwhat.org wrote: For example, requiring that any data imported into OSM have a lifetime maintenance plan seems like something that we don't require of *any* OSM data entry. I don't think that we've discussed a lifetime mainteince plan anywhere,

Re: [Talk-us] Anyone ever talked about adding more Land Ownership data to OSM?

2013-01-08 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 1:43 AM, Michael Patrick geodes...@gmail.com wrote: So there too, is a potential win for OSM. We could rely on current, highly accurate public domain boundry data and use that for rendering, geolocation and other places, while keeping it out of the OSM dataset. Please

Re: [Talk-us] Anyone ever talked about adding more Land Ownership data to OSM?

2013-01-08 Thread derrick nehrenberg
. They were most helpful. I am continually amazed by the energy and thought people give to the OSM project. Cheers, derrick On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:00 AM, talk-us-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote: Re: [Talk-us] Anyone ever talked about adding more Land Ownership data to OSM

Re: [Talk-us] Anyone ever talked about adding more Land Ownership data to OSM?

2013-01-08 Thread Apollinaris Schöll
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 11:08 PM, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote: I think it would be great to make more tools support more external data sets as opposed to dumping *everything* into OSM. You want county borders on your garmin? Check a box while creating the file and mkgmap

Re: [Talk-us] Anyone ever talked about adding more Land Ownership data to OSM?

2013-01-08 Thread Greg Troxel
Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com writes: I think it would be great to make more tools support more external data sets as opposed to dumping *everything* into OSM. You want county borders on your garmin? Check a box while creating the file and mkgmap downloads the most recent county borders

Re: [Talk-us] Anyone ever talked about adding more Land Ownership data to OSM?

2013-01-08 Thread Kevin Kenny
On 01/08/2013 12:17 PM, derrick nehrenberg wrote: It seems like the majority consensus is that the US Land Ownership (or management data) doesn't belong in the OSM database. So, I guess I won't be adding it. [... argument for why the USFS Managed Land cadastre belongs ...] If anyone has any

Re: [Talk-us] Anyone ever talked about adding more Land Ownership data to OSM?

2013-01-07 Thread Nathan Mixter
It would be awesome to include the land ownership data from BLM especially if we could do it for the whole US. Unfortunately that is probably not something that people would want to add because of the conflicts with other data. I wonder if we could include it on a limited basis or only include

Re: [Talk-us] Anyone ever talked about adding more Land Ownership data to OSM?

2013-01-07 Thread Ian Dees
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Nathan Mixter nmix...@gmail.com wrote: It would be awesome to include the land ownership data from BLM especially if we could do it for the whole US. Unfortunately that is probably not something that people would want to add because of the conflicts with other

Re: [Talk-us] Anyone ever talked about adding more Land Ownership data to OSM?

2013-01-07 Thread Paul Johnson
On Monday, January 7, 2013, Ian Dees wrote: On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Nathan Mixter nmix...@gmail.comjavascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'nmix...@gmail.com'); wrote: It would be awesome to include the land ownership data from BLM especially if we could do it for the whole US. Unfortunately

Re: [Talk-us] Anyone ever talked about adding more Land Ownership data to OSM?

2013-01-07 Thread Ian Dees
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: On Monday, January 7, 2013, Ian Dees wrote: On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Nathan Mixter nmix...@gmail.com wrote: It would be awesome to include the land ownership data from BLM especially if we could do it for the

Re: [Talk-us] Anyone ever talked about adding more Land Ownership data to OSM?

2013-01-07 Thread Jeff Meyer
Isn't that true of all data in the database? On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 6:16 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: On Monday, January 7, 2013, Ian Dees wrote: On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Nathan Mixter nmix...@gmail.com

Re: [Talk-us] Anyone ever talked about adding more Land Ownership data to OSM?

2013-01-07 Thread the Old Topo Depot
Some OSM Editors have spent time improving at least county borders. A core part of the discussion is ownership. If BLM data is added to the OSM DB, who are the individuals within the community that will take active ownership for keeping the data quality high and updated as BLM issues changes, or

Re: [Talk-us] Anyone ever talked about adding more Land Ownership data to OSM?

2013-01-07 Thread Richard Welty
On 1/7/13 10:37 PM, the Old Topo Depot wrote: We do have an issue with US state and county borders, as some are missing, incorrect, incomplete or incorrectly tagged. Perhaps we can organize a cleanse the state and county borders project to improve the data quality and currentness. i would

Re: [Talk-us] Anyone ever talked about adding more Land Ownership data to OSM?

2013-01-07 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 9:34 PM, Jeff Meyer j...@gwhat.org wrote: Isn't that true of all data in the database? OSM is built on surveyors doing surveys. That is we have people who go out and walk around with GPSes, or maps, and manually survey what's on the ground. Then when a second person goes

Re: [Talk-us] Anyone ever talked about adding more Land Ownership data to OSM

2013-01-07 Thread Michael Patrick
We just had this conversation a couple threads ago. This sort of land ownership border doesn't really belong in OSM because we can't improve it. In OSM as a whole, or just in the US? When I peruse the various hiking/path/trail tagging portions of the Wiki, I found this: Since the tagging is

Re: [Talk-us] Anyone ever talked about adding more Land Ownership data to OSM?

2013-01-07 Thread Jeff Meyer
My apologies - my real point was that it doesn't seem that rules are being applied equally across different data sets. For example, requiring that any data imported into OSM have a lifetime maintenance plan seems like something that we don't require of *any* OSM data entry. Most data is entered

Re: [Talk-us] Anyone ever talked about adding more Land Ownership data to OSM?

2013-01-07 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
Full ack to to what Serge and Ian mentioned already. In addition I checked the metadata and this data is of questionable accuracy and shouldn't be added alone for this reason. Data set now is a mix of scale, tolerances, and vintage, ranging from 1994 to 2006, line work ranging from GCDB to 24K

Re: [Talk-us] Anyone ever talked about adding more Land Ownership data to OSM?

2013-01-07 Thread Michael Patrick
So there too, is a potential win for OSM. We could rely on current, highly accurate public domain boundry data and use that for rendering, geolocation and other places, while keeping it out of the OSM dataset. Please expand on this. There are already communities around Disaster Relief, etc.,

Re: [Talk-us] Anyone ever talked about adding more Land Ownership data to OSM?

2013-01-07 Thread Toby Murray
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 11:40 PM, Jeff Meyer j...@gwhat.org wrote: All of the rules about observability and verifiability apply to country and state borders, as well, as Mike states, but we include them and somehow improve them. Have we improved them? Being the last user to touch about 35% of

Re: [Talk-us] Anyone ever talked about adding more Land Ownership data to OSM?

2013-01-07 Thread Jeff Meyer
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 11:08 PM, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 11:40 PM, Jeff Meyer j...@gwhat.org wrote: All of the rules about observability and verifiability apply to country and state borders, as well, as Mike states, but we include them and somehow