Re: [Talk-us] Can US OSM help with license upgrade? (was: Re: License Upgrade - Stage Two Begins)

2010-08-21 Thread Richard Weait
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 7:50 PM, Dale Puch wrote: > And those are the basic assumptions I made as well.  The problem is neither > of us are lawyers and know what legal risks are involved with those > assumption other than "stay away from anything not CLEARLY labeled PD" [ ... ] > Thus the US OSM

Re: [Talk-us] Can US OSM help with license upgrade? (was: Re: License Upgrade - Stage Two Begins)

2010-08-20 Thread Dale Puch
And those are the basic assumptions I made as well. The problem is neither of us are lawyers and know what legal risks are involved with those assumption other than "stay away from anything not CLEARLY labeled PD" On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: > > > On Mon, Aug 16,

Re: [Talk-us] Can US OSM help with license upgrade? (was: Re: License Upgrade - Stage Two Begins)

2010-08-20 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Dale Puch wrote: > A real problem is that the data itself is not properly tagged, or does not > explicitly state what if any restrictions are placed on it. When it is not > perfectly clear is when non-lawyers like us are putting themselves and OSM > in possible t

Re: [Talk-us] Can US OSM help with license upgrade? (was: Re: License Upgrade - Stage Two Begins)

2010-08-16 Thread Dale Puch
A real problem is that the data itself is not properly tagged, or does not explicitly state what if any restrictions are placed on it. When it is not perfectly clear is when non-lawyers like us are putting themselves and OSM in possible trouble. A few examples: The web site has copyright notices

Re: [Talk-us] Can US OSM help with license upgrade? (was: Re: License Upgrade - Stage Two Begins)

2010-08-12 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 8:20 AM, Al Haraka wrote: > On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Apollinaris Schoell > wrote: > > > > > > US government data is public domain. you can do whatever you like to do > > with it. All big ones from Garmin, Google ... you name it use this data. > > there is absolu

Re: [Talk-us] Can US OSM help with license upgrade? (was: Re: License Upgrade - Stage Two Begins)

2010-08-12 Thread Phil! Gold
* Nakor [2010-08-12 10:23 -0400]: > My only issue is the first paragraph of the Contributor Terms. I do > not have **explicit** permission from the various US government > entities and do not feel comfortable accepting those terms. I'm not on legal-talk, but I was pointed at this post today: h

Re: [Talk-us] Can US OSM help with license upgrade? (was: Re: License Upgrade - Stage Two Begins)

2010-08-12 Thread Al Haraka
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: > > > On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 7:23 AM, Nakor wrote: >> >> Most of my contributions even though based on my GPS tracks are derived >> work of some US governement data (USGS and NAIP imageries) and in a lesser >> extent Ohio through OSIP.

Re: [Talk-us] Can US OSM help with license upgrade? (was: Re: License Upgrade - Stage Two Begins)

2010-08-12 Thread Steven Johnson
Virtually all geospatial data obtained from government agencies in the US, -local, state, or Federal is subject to either Federal or state public records law, and therefore in the public domain. (Note however that some states have stronger public records law than others). Of course, there are excep

Re: [Talk-us] Can US OSM help with license upgrade? (was: Re: License Upgrade - Stage Two Begins)

2010-08-12 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 7:23 AM, Nakor wrote: > > Most of my contributions even though based on my GPS tracks are derived > work of some US governement data (USGS and NAIP imageries) and in a lesser > extent Ohio through OSIP. I also imported some NHS, NPS and TIGER datasets. > I truly do not wan

Re: [Talk-us] Can US OSM help with license upgrade? (was: Re: License Upgrade - Stage Two Begins)

2010-08-12 Thread Al Haraka
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Dave Hansen wrote: > On Thu, 2010-08-12 at 10:23 -0400, Nakor wrote: >> My only issue is the first paragraph of the Contributor Terms. I do not >> have **explicit** permission from the various US government entities and >> do not feel comfortable accepting those t

Re: [Talk-us] Can US OSM help with license upgrade?

2010-08-12 Thread Nakor
On 8/12/2010 10:27 AM, Dave Hansen wrote: On Thu, 2010-08-12 at 10:23 -0400, Nakor wrote: My only issue is the first paragraph of the Contributor Terms. I do not have **explicit** permission from the various US government entities and do not feel comfortable accepting those terms. One of the m

Re: [Talk-us] Can US OSM help with license upgrade? (was: Re: License Upgrade - Stage Two Begins)

2010-08-12 Thread Dave Hansen
On Thu, 2010-08-12 at 10:23 -0400, Nakor wrote: > My only issue is the first paragraph of the Contributor Terms. I do not > have **explicit** permission from the various US government entities and > do not feel comfortable accepting those terms. > > One of the mission of the US OSM could be to g

[Talk-us] Can US OSM help with license upgrade? (was: Re: License Upgrade - Stage Two Begins)

2010-08-12 Thread Nakor
On 8/12/2010 7:15 AM, Richard Weait wrote: News today from Mike Collinson, Chair of the OSMF License Working Group: [...] Hi, Sometime ago Serge asked about what US OSM could do. Here is a proposal. Most of my contributions even though based on my GPS tracks are derived work of some US gov