Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Sidewalks as footpaths

2014-05-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 09/mag/2014 um 01:09 schrieb Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us: I wonder if a search for the nearest street would provide a clue to the router? Not as exact as having either a named way or a relationship. IMHO we shouldn't advocate for a mapping method where you have to guess,

[Talk-us] Fwd: Sidewalks as footpaths

2014-05-08 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Bill, You're right that we should map what exists on the ground. I think we need to really consider a few factors here: 1. Why we map sidewalks at all (in either style) 2. What benefits one mapping method has over another 3. The data as it exists now 1. Why map sidewalks This is a judgement

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Sidewalks as footpaths

2014-05-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-05-08 16:32 GMT+02:00 Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com: 1. Why map sidewalks This is a judgement call. In NYC it's reasonable to assume that a road has a sidwalk. It would be better to map roads without sidwalks than roads with them, because a vast majority of roads have sidewalks.

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Sidewalks as footpaths

2014-05-08 Thread Clifford Snow
On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 7:32 AM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: The biggest issue here is usage. It's not what mappers should do, but What mappers actually do and what mappers actually do is not to create relations. Most sidewalks are either mapped as separate ways, as attributes,

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Sidewalks as footpaths

2014-05-08 Thread Chris Lawrence
On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote: Routing doesn't need names, it just needs connected ways and a means to display the route. I agree that without names, it is difficult to give written directions. But how often do we need written directions any more?

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Sidewalks as footpaths

2014-05-08 Thread Clifford Snow
On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Chris Lawrence lordsu...@gmail.com wrote: Audio routing (so you can put your phone in your pocket and listen to headphones) and audio/braille descriptions for the disabled would be the most obvious use cases for names. In fact, I'd imagine the disabled are a

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Sidewalks as footpaths

2014-05-08 Thread Paul Johnson
I'm trying to work out how using name=* on the sidewalks isn't the easiest, most obvious answer. On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.uswrote: On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Chris Lawrence lordsu...@gmail.comwrote: Audio routing (so you can put your phone in

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Sidewalks as footpaths

2014-05-08 Thread Saikrishna Arcot
Duplication of data, possibly? Regarding the detection of the nearest street, the risk here is at the intersection, where the sidewalk might be attributed to the other street. -- Saikrishna Arcot On Thursday, May 08, 2014 07:02:16 PM Paul Johnson wrote: I'm trying to work out how using name=*

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Sidewalks as footpaths

2014-05-08 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 8:02 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: I'm trying to work out how using name=* on the sidewalks isn't the easiest, most obvious answer. Because there are walking paths with names, and that's not what you're talking about. What you want is essentially a