Re: [Talk-us] Pennsylvania's quadrant routes

2015-01-19 Thread Paul Johnson
> > -James > > -- > Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 05:15:38 -0600 > From: ba...@ursamundi.org > To: rickmastfa...@hotmail.com > CC: m...@nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us; talk-us@openstreetmap.org > Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Pennsylvania's quadrant routes >

Re: [Talk-us] Pennsylvania's quadrant routes

2015-01-19 Thread James Mast
n 2015 05:15:38 -0600 From: ba...@ursamundi.org To: rickmastfa...@hotmail.com CC: m...@nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us; talk-us@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Pennsylvania's quadrant routes The ref should be what appears on the "keystone" shields. I believe a quick at-a-glance sanity check wo

Re: [Talk-us] Pennsylvania's quadrant routes

2015-01-19 Thread Paul Johnson
relation/3075726 > > -James > > -- > Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 04:49:59 -0600 > From: ba...@ursamundi.org > To: rickmastfa...@hotmail.com > CC: m...@nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us; talk-us@openstreetmap.org > > Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Pennsylvania's quadrant

Re: [Talk-us] Pennsylvania's quadrant routes

2015-01-19 Thread James Mast
...@nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us; talk-us@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Pennsylvania's quadrant routes OK, so three, possibly four, routes that could have US:PA:Turnpike relations. On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 4:45 AM, James Mast wrote: >> US:PA:Turnpike (possibly only one member?)

Re: [Talk-us] Pennsylvania's quadrant routes

2015-01-19 Thread Paul Johnson
OK, so three, possibly four, routes that could have US:PA:Turnpike relations. On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 4:45 AM, James Mast wrote: > >> US:PA:Turnpike (possibly only one member?) > > There are 3 routes in that (not counting the mainline PA Turnpike > relation). > > PA Turnpike 43 > PA Turnpike 66

Re: [Talk-us] Pennsylvania's quadrant routes

2015-01-19 Thread James Mast
>> US:PA:Turnpike (possibly only one member?) There are 3 routes in that (not counting the mainline PA Turnpike relation). PA Turnpike 43 PA Turnpike 66 PA Turnpike 576 (Future I-576 maybe when it connects to I-79 in 2019, or maybe in the distant future when it connects to PA Turnpike 43) There

Re: [Talk-us] Pennsylvania's quadrant routes

2015-01-19 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 3:30 AM, Minh Nguyen wrote: > On 2015-01-19 00:50, Paul Johnson wrote: > >> Are they actually separate networks, though? Just because there's more >> digits doesn't a different network make. >> > > What distinguishes the various networks that a given agency maintains? For

Re: [Talk-us] Pennsylvania's quadrant routes

2015-01-19 Thread Minh Nguyen
On 2015-01-19 01:30, Minh Nguyen wrote: On 2015-01-19 00:50, Paul Johnson wrote: Are they actually separate networks, though? Just because there's more digits doesn't a different network make. What distinguishes the various networks that a given agency maintains? For our purposes, I think we'

Re: [Talk-us] Pennsylvania's quadrant routes

2015-01-19 Thread Minh Nguyen
On 2015-01-19 00:50, Paul Johnson wrote: Are they actually separate networks, though? Just because there's more digits doesn't a different network make. What distinguishes the various networks that a given agency maintains? For our purposes, I think we're most interested in: 1. Significant

Re: [Talk-us] Pennsylvania's quadrant routes

2015-01-19 Thread Paul Johnson
hem being joined. > > -James > > [1] - <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsylvania_Route_380> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsylvania_Route_380 > [2] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsylvania_Route_99 > [3] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsylvania_Route_283 > > > To

Re: [Talk-us] Pennsylvania's quadrant routes

2015-01-19 Thread Paul Johnson
Are they actually separate networks, though? Just because there's more digits doesn't a different network make. On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 3:06 PM, Minh Nguyen wrote: > On 2015-01-16 07:52, Paul Johnson wrote: > >> I'm very much in favor of PA instead of SR for disambiguation purposes. >> > > With

Re: [Talk-us] Pennsylvania's quadrant routes

2015-01-18 Thread James Mast
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsylvania_Route_380 [2] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsylvania_Route_99 [3] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsylvania_Route_283 > To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org > From: m...@nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us > Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 13:06:14 -0800 > Subject

Re: [Talk-us] Pennsylvania's quadrant routes

2015-01-16 Thread Minh Nguyen
On 2015-01-16 07:52, Paul Johnson wrote: I'm very much in favor of PA instead of SR for disambiguation purposes. With James' proposal to change `ref` to `ref:penndot` (or something even more explicit like `ref:penndot:quadrant`), there's no need for disambiguation. A prefix of "PA" isn't goin

Re: [Talk-us] Pennsylvania's quadrant routes

2015-01-16 Thread Paul Johnson
; and > secondary 'SR' tags for it's two different shields, except PA doesn't have > the problem with multiple types of shields. > > -James > > ---------- > Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 09:52:34 -0600 > From: ba...@ursamundi.org > To: rick

Re: [Talk-us] Pennsylvania's quadrant routes

2015-01-16 Thread stevea
I'm very much in favor of PA instead of SR for disambiguation purposes. +1 on deprecating "SR" (for "state route") where appropriate: using a 2-letter state code is much preferred. However, in this specific case, James Mast makes a convincing argument that SR remain. There are other places

Re: [Talk-us] Pennsylvania's quadrant routes

2015-01-16 Thread James Mast
Route_Relations#Four_digit_routes From: br...@7thposition.com Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 10:08:42 -0500 To: rickmastfa...@hotmail.com CC: talk-us@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Pennsylvania's quadrant routes I’m from PA and I know exactly the little signs that you’re talking about. I agree

Re: [Talk-us] Pennsylvania's quadrant routes

2015-01-16 Thread James Mast
tags for it's two different shields, except PA doesn't have the problem with multiple types of shields. -James Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 09:52:34 -0600 From: ba...@ursamundi.org To: rickmastfa...@hotmail.com CC: talk-us@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Pennsylvania's quadrant

Re: [Talk-us] Pennsylvania's quadrant routes

2015-01-16 Thread Paul Johnson
I'm very much in favor of PA instead of SR for disambiguation purposes. On Jan 16, 2015 2:15 AM, "James Mast" wrote: > I have happened to notice (mostly in Eastern Pennsylvania) that some users > have added these routes from the old 'name_*' tags and putting them in the > 'ref=*' tags as "ref=SR1

Re: [Talk-us] Pennsylvania's quadrant routes

2015-01-16 Thread Bryan Housel
I’m from PA and I know exactly the little signs that you’re talking about. I agree with everything you suggested about moving the SR ref to a different key. It’s not significant enough to be a “ref”. I’m not sure who “owns” the Pennsylvania wiki page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/P

Re: [Talk-us] Pennsylvania's quadrant routes

2015-01-16 Thread Minh Nguyen
On 2015-01-16 00:14, James Mast wrote: So, I've come up with a possible replacement tag of 'ref:penndot=SR ' [3] for these routes that are only signed with the white mileage signs. With this tag, it still allows the quadrant routes to be added, but not to take up the normal 'ref' tag when it

[Talk-us] Pennsylvania's quadrant routes

2015-01-16 Thread James Mast
I have happened to notice (mostly in Eastern Pennsylvania) that some users have added these routes from the old 'name_*' tags and putting them in the 'ref=*' tags as "ref=SR1234". The problem here is that Pennsylvania doesn't post these routes (except in little white mileage signs [1][2] or/and