Re: [Talk-us] border screwup by ToeBee needs reverting

2011-03-26 Thread Russ Nelson
Ian Dees writes: I personally don't think borders that are controlled by others belong in OSM but if others insist that the borders are there then I think they should at least be represented with clean OSM data. Yet Another reason to have http://www.closedstreetmap.org -- renderers need

[Talk-us] border screwup by ToeBee needs reverting

2011-03-25 Thread Nathan Edgars II
User ToeBee has, in several changesets in February, aligned state borders to exact lat/long. The problem is that this is not how the borders are defined; instead they are based on work that the 19th century surveyors did with the tools they had. Two obvious examples follow:

Re: [Talk-us] border screwup by ToeBee needs reverting

2011-03-25 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 3/25/2011 3:56 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705298412/Four-Corners-marker-212-miles-off-Too-late.html Note the correction to this article: http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705299160/Four-Corners-Monument-is-indeed-off-mark.html I was a little hasty

Re: [Talk-us] border screwup by ToeBee needs reverting

2011-03-25 Thread Toby Murray
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 2:56 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: User ToeBee has, in several changesets in February, aligned state borders to exact lat/long. The problem is that this is not how the borders are defined; instead they are based on work that the 19th century surveyors

Re: [Talk-us] border screwup by ToeBee needs reverting

2011-03-25 Thread Paul Norman
it over ToeBee's objections. -Original Message- From: Nathan Edgars II [mailto:nerou...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 12:56 AM To: OpenStreetMap talk-us list Subject: [Talk-us] border screwup by ToeBee needs reverting User ToeBee has, in several changesets in February

Re: [Talk-us] border screwup by ToeBee needs reverting

2011-03-25 Thread Ian Dees
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 3:44 AM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: ... I'd say that reverting the border fix changeset would be wrong, given the number of problems it fixed with the borders. I'd say it was definitely wrong to attempt to revert it over ToeBee's objections. +1 I would say

Re: [Talk-us] border screwup by ToeBee needs reverting

2011-03-25 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 3/25/2011 7:49 AM, Ian Dees wrote: I would say that a better use of our time would be in creating boundary relations to fix the duplicated county/state boundaries. I would say it's more important to have the border in the right place (at least such that all roads in one state are on the

Re: [Talk-us] border screwup by ToeBee needs reverting

2011-03-25 Thread Ian Dees
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 7:04 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.comwrote: On 3/25/2011 7:49 AM, Ian Dees wrote: I would say that a better use of our time would be in creating boundary relations to fix the duplicated county/state boundaries. I would say it's more important to have the

Re: [Talk-us] border screwup by ToeBee needs reverting

2011-03-25 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 3/25/2011 8:37 AM, Ian Dees wrote: On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 7:04 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com mailto:nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/25/2011 7:49 AM, Ian Dees wrote: I would say that a better use of our time would be in creating boundary relations to fix

Re: [Talk-us] border screwup by ToeBee needs reverting

2011-03-25 Thread Ian Dees
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 7:49 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.comwrote: On 3/25/2011 8:37 AM, Ian Dees wrote: On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 7:04 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com mailto:nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/25/2011 7:49 AM, Ian Dees wrote: I would say that a better

Re: [Talk-us] border screwup by ToeBee needs reverting

2011-03-25 Thread Phil! Gold
* Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com [2011-03-25 08:04 -0400]: I would say it's more important to have the border in the right place (at least such that all roads in one state are on the correct side). So either fix it or *politely* ask the person who made the change to fix the alignment.