Re: [Talk-us] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 17/mar/2014 um 02:28 schrieb Greg Morgan dr.kludge...@gmail.com: If I need to split a building, the original primary key does not stay with one of the two pieces of the building. Two new buildings are created with two new primary keys. as a side note this is not like you

[Talk-us] QGIS US User Group Meeting before SotM US

2014-03-17 Thread Jeffrey Johnson
Hi Folks, Wanted to let everyone know that we scheduled the inaugural QGIS US User Group Meeting the day before the State of the Map US at OpenGovHub in DC. http://qgis.us/#meetings You are all welcome to join us. Also, if someone is up for giving a talk or even a short workshop on using QGIS

[Talk-us] MapRoulette - we ran out of stuff!

2014-03-17 Thread Martijn van Exel
Hi all, Hrm, four days in and we already ran out of stuff to do on MapRoulette! Not bad, but I know you're all eager to continue fixing stuff - so we're working to get new challenges up. As always, if you have ideas, share them here:

[Talk-us] Why we really don't get new users

2014-03-17 Thread osm
I'm going to just point out the elephant in the room here. I don't think any normal user cares about the license at all. I think the actual reason its hard to get new mappers, especially those that are not nerdy and obsessive like myself is that *the ontology sucks*. There, I said it, so you

Re: [Talk-us] Why we really don't get new users

2014-03-17 Thread Ian Dees
Such a thing already mostly exists in the preset system. iD has a fairly extensive and growing set of presets that I encourage you to try (it follows the example you give). JOSM also has a preset system, but it's not nearly as obvious or as complete (at least for the mapping I do). You access it

Re: [Talk-us] Why we really don't get new users

2014-03-17 Thread John Firebaugh
Hi Charles, Have you looked at iD's preset-based feature editing UI? It's very close to what you describe: - Machine readable ontologyhttps://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/blob/master/data/presets/README.md - Search-based UI - No detailed knowledge of tagging schemes necessary - Customized UI for

Re: [Talk-us] Why we really don't get new users

2014-03-17 Thread Saikrishna Arcot
JOSM also has a plugin that provides a UI for entering opening_hours. That being said, this UI is in JOSM, but new users are probably going to use iD since it's easy to use and is right there (quick availability). -- Saikrishna Arcot On Monday, March 17, 2014 01:20:12 PM Ian Dees wrote: Such

Re: [Talk-us] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-17 Thread Alex Barth
Just posted my comments to key points that came up in the conversation over on the diary: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/lxbarth/diary/21221#comment25849 On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 7:26 AM, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote: Hello everyone - I've been sitting on writing about the detrimental

Re: [Talk-us] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-17 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Alex, Some of the points you continue to make are patently false. 1. There is more open data coming online by the day and we are not compatible Let's take this apart. If the data is open, by which you mean that it would fall into something like the definition of freedomdefined.org, then there

Re: [Talk-us] State ref tags on ways: Use of unique ISO/ANSI/USPS 2-letter state codes in RELATIONS as well as WAYS?

2014-03-17 Thread Clay Smalley
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 7:01 PM, Shawn K. Quinn skqu...@rushpost.comwrote: Weird is a matter of opinion, but I only know of Farm Road (FM), Ranch Road (RM or RR), Park Road (PR), the one-off NASA Road 1 (which I can concede is a bit unusual), the semi-standard Spur and Loop, and normal state

Re: [Talk-us] Why we really don't get new users

2014-03-17 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 11:17 AM, o...@charles.derkarl.org wrote: I'm going to just point out the elephant in the room here. I don't think any normal user cares about the license at all. I think the actual reason its hard to get new mappers, especially those that are not nerdy and obsessive

Re: [Talk-us] Why we really don't get new users

2014-03-17 Thread Darrell Fuhriman
I made exactly this point a while back on the diversity-talk list. The consequence of this is that by self-limiting *who* the mappers are, we also limit the types of things that will ever appear on the map. It’s even evident in your statement This map geek and his son?” — a point that well

Re: [Talk-us] Why we really don't get new users

2014-03-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-03-18 1:32 GMT+01:00 Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com: On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 1:17 PM, o...@charles.derkarl.org wrote: The tagging of things bears little resemblance to things in the real world: I agree, first of all, i tried to explain to someone how to tag a cafe/bar and

Re: [Talk-us] Why we really don't get new users

2014-03-17 Thread Shawn K. Quinn
On Mon, Mar 17, 2014, at 01:17 PM, o...@charles.derkarl.org wrote: I'm going to just point out the elephant in the room here. I don't think any normal user cares about the license at all. I think the actual reason its hard to get new mappers, especially those that are not nerdy and obsessive

Re: [Talk-us] MapRoulette - we ran out of stuff!

2014-03-17 Thread Martijn van Exel
Don't think so, just look for primary sources (their own web site) and we should be fine. I would personally not copy from Google or other secondary sources - just to be on the safe side. On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 8:50 PM, Dale Puch dale.p...@gmail.com wrote: I like it, just a concern. Any