Re: [Talk-us] CloudMade's ambassadors
On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 8:26 AM, Russell Deffner russell.deff...@hotosm.org wrote: I’ll second a thanks to all those great ambassadors – Hurricane introduced me to OpenStreetMap via OSM-Colorado, first mapathon I attended was mapping Idaho Springs, CO – one Saturday spent field mapping then the next we uploaded and edited. Now Jim and I co-organize OSM-CO with the Coasts. I also got my start from Hurricane. She presented OSM at the LinuxfestNW in Bellingham, WA. Now four year later, I'm going to do a OSM presentation at the LinuxfestNW at months end. Thanks Hurricane. Clifford -- @osm_seattle osm_seattle.snowandsnow.us OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Mappy Hour - Next Monday
I was just wondering if there was a mappy hour tonight and found this email. Thought I'd send out a ping in case others weren't sure either. Hope to see some of you tonight :) Toby On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 1:26 AM, Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:48 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: OpenHistoricalMap. Read about it here: http://www.openhistoricalmap.org/about but better still, come join the Mappy Hour next week. That is great! nice to hear about that project. Good job! -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://www.flossk.org Saving Wikipedia(tm) articles from deletion http://SpeedyDeletion.wikia.com ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Mappy Hour - Next Monday
Announcing this in advance allows us to put it in our calendars, reserving the time. Another announcement shortly before reminds us to look at our calendars J Steve – see you all later! From: Martijn van Exel [mailto:mart...@openstreetmap.us] Sent: Monday, April 06, 2015 2:04 PM To: Toby Murray Cc: OpenStreetMap US Talk Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Mappy Hour - Next Monday Thanks Toby - I realized I should have sent out a reminder - announcing early just means more work it turns out... See you tonight! Martijn Martijn van Exel Secretary, US Chapter OpenStreetMap http://openstreetmap.us/ http://osm.org/ skype: mvexel On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 2:59 PM, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote: I was just wondering if there was a mappy hour tonight and found this email. Thought I'd send out a ping in case others weren't sure either. Hope to see some of you tonight :) Toby On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 1:26 AM, Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:48 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: OpenHistoricalMap. Read about it here: http://www.openhistoricalmap.org/about but better still, come join the Mappy Hour next week. That is great! nice to hear about that project. Good job! -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://www.flossk.org Saving Wikipedia(tm) articles from deletion http://SpeedyDeletion.wikia.com ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Mappy Hour - Next Monday
Thanks Toby - I realized I should have sent out a reminder - announcing early just means more work it turns out... See you tonight! Martijn Martijn van Exel Secretary, US Chapter OpenStreetMap http://openstreetmap.us/ http://osm.org/ skype: mvexel On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 2:59 PM, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote: I was just wondering if there was a mappy hour tonight and found this email. Thought I'd send out a ping in case others weren't sure either. Hope to see some of you tonight :) Toby On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 1:26 AM, Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:48 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: OpenHistoricalMap. Read about it here: http://www.openhistoricalmap.org/about but better still, come join the Mappy Hour next week. That is great! nice to hear about that project. Good job! -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://www.flossk.org Saving Wikipedia(tm) articles from deletion http://SpeedyDeletion.wikia.com ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Mappy Hour - Next Monday
geez, now i feel like i have to show up. On 4/6/15 4:59 PM, Toby Murray wrote: I was just wondering if there was a mappy hour tonight and found this email. Thought I'd send out a ping in case others weren't sure either. Hope to see some of you tonight :) Toby On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 1:26 AM, Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com mailto:jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:48 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org mailto:m...@rtijn.org wrote: OpenHistoricalMap. Read about it here: http://www.openhistoricalmap.org/about but better still, come join the Mappy Hour next week. That is great! nice to hear about that project. Good job! -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://www.flossk.org Saving Wikipedia(tm) articles from deletion http://SpeedyDeletion.wikia.com ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- rwe...@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking - GIS IT Consulting OpenStreetMap - PostgreSQL - Linux Java - Web Applications - Search signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] mappy hour link
not sure where martijn is so here is a link https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/g2o6g44btltptbrbtounshmutya -- rwe...@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking - GIS IT Consulting OpenStreetMap - PostgreSQL - Linux Java - Web Applications - Search signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] USA Rail: Calling all OSM railfans! (especially in California)
John F. Eldredge writes: Note that there is a long tradition of encyclopedias, maps, and other copyrighted sources deliberately including some bogus facts as a way of detecting plagiarism. These bogus facts don't exist in real life, only in the copyrighted document, so having them show up in a competing document proves that copying took place. Yes, and if you use a map properly, you find this: From http://russnelson.com/#network : Rob Logan found a wonderful poster entitled New York State Railroad Network. It was published by Frank E. Richards, Phoenix, New York, and copyrighted 1958 (fair use claimed). Prepared by R. J. Rayback, and drawn by J. A. Peterson. I did a five-part scan of it and stitched it together badly (yuck). Still, it's better than nothing. There's a small one (1333x1200, small is relative) and a very large one (x6000 pixels, 3MB). Mapmakers traditionally insert a small discrepency into their maps so they can detect derivative works. I believe that I've found an error which is likely their inserted discrepency. They claim that there is a railroad heading east from Pavilion, NY. It would have to cross an impossibly steep hill, and I can't find it on either topographic maps or aerial photos. I contacted Virginia Rigoni, Town of Pavilion Historian on 11/13/2005 and she assures me that the only railroad in the town of Pavilion is the well-known north/south BO line. -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-600-8815 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] mappy hour link
There is a nice shortlink here richard: http://bit.ly/osm-mappy-hour We're all there! Martijn van Exel Secretary, US Chapter OpenStreetMap http://openstreetmap.us/ http://osm.org/ skype: mvexel On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 6:35 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: not sure where martijn is so here is a link https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/g2o6g44btltptbrbtounshmutya -- rwe...@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking - GIS IT Consulting OpenStreetMap - PostgreSQL - Linux Java - Web Applications - Search ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] CloudMade's ambassadors
Kate Chapman writes: Thanks for posting this. The first OSM person I ever met was Russ Nelson when he was a CloudMade ambassador. It was at a mapping party in Baltimore, that really is what sparked further involvement in OSM for me. Prior to that I did a bit of mapping in my neighborhood. Thanks Russ! I met some neat people while a Cloudmade Ambassador! -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-600-8815 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] USA Rail: Calling all OSM railfans! (especially in California)
Note that there is a long tradition of encyclopedias, maps, and other copyrighted sources deliberately including some bogus facts as a way of detecting plagiarism. These bogus facts don't exist in real life, only in the copyrighted document, so having them show up in a competing document proves that copying took place. On April 2, 2015 5:12:57 PM CDT, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: Am 02.04.2015 um 05:20 schrieb Russ Nelson: ... April Fools! Yes, you can. There are many kinds of public domain maps whose republication needs no license. For example, in the US all maps published before the magic date, whatever year it is we're up to now. Maps copyrighted but not renewed. Maps published without a copyright before 1988. Very true. Maps with insufficient creative content to be copyrightable. They may exist, but are you seriously saying that we (as in individual mappers and the OSM community as a whole) should make that determination? There are maps which are canonical sources of facts about the world, such as a BNSF map naming subdivisions. No one can own a fact about the world, because it's a fact. Just like you can't patent math. Same idea. You can copyright a collection of facts. You can copyright the arrangement of facts. You can copy the presentation of facts. But you can't copyright the individual facts. While is true that you can't own a fact in isolation, the problem is they are rarely presented in that form. Up to now OSM has drawn the line in such a way that stuff that is signposted and is observable on the ground is fair game (with some exceptions, I believe the GR issue is still unsolved). If you are using a collection of facts, be it a list, a map, a file on a computer or whatever, we have to now always taken the, fairly high ground, position that you either need explicit permission (by agreement, licence or similar) or that the use of the source is clearly not subject to copyright any longer. Forgetting about other rights, regulations etc that may exist for the purpose of this discussion. What you seem to be saying in your above statement, followed by stevea's battle call to actually do so, that wholesale extraction of facts from any source is unproblematic and is something that can be done without further consideration and the net result can be used in OSM globally with no expectation of problems. BTW you live in the country of software patents which -is- essentially patenting math. Alas I suspect you are kidding yourself in a big way. Simon ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. -- Martin Luther King, Jr.___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] perceptions of OHM and other similar projects
Richard et al., Thanks for starting an interesting thread. There do seem to be an increasing number of projects that live outside of OSM proper but that connect loosely with OSM data and services. By chance, I proposed a panel on this general topic for the upcoming SOTM-US conference. My own interest comes from public-transit data (which includes lots of temporal schedule information that doesn't belong and doesn't fit in OSM). Sounds like there are similarities to historical map data, and how that's handled alongside present-day OSM data. If any of you or others are interested, I'll past the proposal blurb below. Whether or not the panel is accept, I hope there will be enough interest for a BoF on this topic and ways to continue this discussion among those who attend SOTM-US in person. Best, Drew -- Proposal for a panel on peripheral data for SOTM-US 2015 OpenStreetMap is a giant datastore, with an extremely flexible data model. Its API accepts all additions. But, in fact, not everything belongs or fits in OSM. Some thematic data require more advanced modeling than OSM’s simple tagging scheme supports. To represent a building in full 3D requires a data model that supports solids, and to represent a public-transit network or traffic patterns requires a data model that handles space and time. Other types of data come from authoritative sources and may require cleaning, combining, and perhaps even legal review before they’re ready to be added to OSM. For example, street addresses and trailheads. Just as not every kind of data can fit into OSM, not every kind of data can easily be extracted from OSM. Storing data outside of OSM proper may also make that data more relevant to other users’ needs. For example, supporting data consumption in mobile apps, or supporting data collection with topic-specific editor apps. We’ll discuss “peripheral data” to OSM, both in terms of technical implementation and in terms of community impacts. If done well, data projects that are connected--but not subsumed--by OSM can advance open geo data. Let’s figure out together how that’s best done. proposed participants: - OpenAddresses [Ian Dees] - street address data - Mapillary [Jan Erik Solem] - street-front imagery - OpenTrails [Jereme Monteau] - recreational trails - Transitland [Drew Dara-Abrams] - public transit -- On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 6:17 AM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: so one of the things from recent discussion that concerns me are perceptions out there about projects parallel to OSM that are designed to complement it, specifically OHM. here is an outline of the view from OHM, and i'm interesting in understanding why some treat the whole project so dismissively (note that i'm a little bit of a late comer to OHM, i've been following it with interest since it started but only just recently started contributing directly.) OHM was created because of the perceived desire to start handling historic spatial data and characterize temporal aspects of it. the whole idea is that we accept that OSM is not a good place for this data, so why not create such a place? it's a real database, using the OSM software stack. it's live, and you can pan around in it and not see much because it's pretty sparse. but you can go see historic building footprints and addresses in lower manhattan right now. in fact, we just set up a list of projects that are going on in OHM to make it easier for folks to see what's up: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Historical_Map/Projects the short summary is 1.it's real and operational 2.there's stuff in it 3.if you know OSM tools, you can join the party 4.we just set up overpass for it, still tweaking it, but overlaying interesting OHM data on OSM basemaps just got a bit easier a number of OHM oriented talk proposals were submitted for SOTM US, and some will probably make the program. i think the long term future of OSM will probably involve more OHM like projects to supplement OSM. my question is how will the core OSM community treat them? right now it seems very mixed. richard -- rwe...@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking - GIS IT Consulting OpenStreetMap - PostgreSQL - Linux Java - Web Applications - Search ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] North Carolina Outer Banks
On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 6:37 AM, Eric Christensen e...@christensenplace.us wrote: I suspect the requester is looking specifically for something called Outer Banks on the map. As someone who grew up down in that area I can tell you that there is no such place. The Outer Banks, or OBX, is largely a marketing term and refers to much of the peninsula, Hatteras Island, and Ocracoke Island but isn't a town or county. So... how would one tag a marketing name for a region? There are lots. I'm headed up to a place called Summit Valley... but go ahead and try to find it on a map. A marketing name is verifiable and useful in way-finding, but not findable on the ground. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] CloudMade's ambassadors
On 4/6/15 12:06 AM, Kate Chapman wrote: Thanks for posting this. The first OSM person I ever met was Russ Nelson when he was a CloudMade ambassador. It was at a mapping party in Baltimore, that really is what sparked further involvement in OSM for me. Prior to that I did a bit of mapping in my neighborhood. Thanks Russ! i'll thank Russ too. we go back in an entirely different internet community (anti-spam) and when he dropped out to go to Cloudmade it piqued my interest due to my long term love of maps (going back to boy scouts). so here i am. richard -- rwe...@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking - GIS IT Consulting OpenStreetMap - PostgreSQL - Linux Java - Web Applications - Search signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] CloudMade's ambassadors
I'd like to thank Russ as well! I was a long time lurker in OSM, but never did any edits myself. I saw a PR piece for the Boston mapping party, and thought.. Maps and Parties? Why am I not attending that? Then I saw that there would be a meetup in New York the next week. I borrowed my brother-in-law's GPS and I mapped Central Park. 6 years later, I'm still doing something with OSM (almost) every day. Thanks Russ, Dirk, Sarah, Thea, and Hurricane! On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 5:11 AM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: On 4/6/15 12:06 AM, Kate Chapman wrote: Thanks for posting this. The first OSM person I ever met was Russ Nelson when he was a CloudMade ambassador. It was at a mapping party in Baltimore, that really is what sparked further involvement in OSM for me. Prior to that I did a bit of mapping in my neighborhood. Thanks Russ! i'll thank Russ too. we go back in an entirely different internet community (anti-spam) and when he dropped out to go to Cloudmade it piqued my interest due to my long term love of maps (going back to boy scouts). so here i am. richard -- rwe...@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking - GIS IT Consulting OpenStreetMap - PostgreSQL - Linux Java - Web Applications - Search ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] CloudMade's ambassadors
Thanks Russ, Dirk, Sarah, Thea, and Hurricane! I’ll second a thanks to all those great ambassadors – Hurricane introduced me to OpenStreetMap via OSM-Colorado, first mapathon I attended was mapping Idaho Springs, CO – one Saturday spent field mapping then the next we uploaded and edited. Now Jim and I co-organize OSM-CO with the Coasts. (From not Russ Nelson – I think we agreed I’d go by Russell on the mailing lists :) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
